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#48810 - 02/20/05 07:35 PM no license of permits
BigB Offline
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I am doing an upgrade at a residence that was bought by a realtor for fixup and resale. When I got to the jobsite to start, I discovered they had gutted the entire house, walls, wiring, gas lines, heating and cooling, plumbing etc. The remodeling is to be done by an unlicensed contractor with a crew of 3. No permits were obtained. The unlicensed contractor will reinstall all plumbing and electrical inside the house. The only reason they had me do the upgrade was because they knew it had to be done by a licensed contractor and a permit had to be obtained. Now I am kind of worried about what kind of wiring they will do and if I could be held liable for any of their mess since I am doing the upgrade. Not to mention what the inspector will say when he comes to inspect my work, it's obvious what is going on.
I'm debating what do do, if anything. I am wishing I would have walked away from the start, but I didn't know they had ripped out the interior wiring till I had the old service demoed.
Anyone have this happen before? One thing I will do for sure, take a photo of my finished work before they add anything to my panel.

[This message has been edited by BigB (edited 02-20-2005).]
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#48811 - 02/20/05 08:40 PM Re: no license of permits
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Just make it clear to the inspector when he looks at your work that you are done there and they have someone else taking over. I'm sure he will start asking them for permits.

They did make a mistake not getting the upgrade "finaled" before they started the other work but cheaters are not supposed to win.
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#48812 - 02/20/05 08:50 PM Re: no license of permits
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It's CYA time, BigB! You might consider writing a letter to the head of the building department. If you say something like, "The service was installed by BigB Electric, with the interior wiring completed by others...BigB Electric is not responsible for electrical installations by others." They'll get the idea. If you really want to cover yourself good, send it certified with receipt. It's always nice to have a letter like this in your file if you need it.

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#48813 - 02/21/05 03:44 AM Re: no license of permits
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Loc: Bangor Me. USA
Personally, I think you should wait until you get paid before calling local AHJ and saying I did the service and all other work was done by someone else. Taking Pics is a good idea also
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#48814 - 02/21/05 05:37 AM Re: no license of permits
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Registered: 01/12/02
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Loc: Holden, MA USA
If you get a permit that specifies the work you're doing and get it inspected you should be all set.
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#48815 - 02/21/05 12:15 PM Re: no license of permits
capt al Offline
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Registered: 06/20/04
Posts: 206
Loc: Norton, Ma USA
I have to agree with Scott here. A permit for the "service only" should cover you. Make sure it is worded that way and inspected. Here in Ma permits can be very detailed.
Al
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#48816 - 02/21/05 02:00 PM Re: no license of permits
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Loc: North Fork, CA USA
BigB add notes to your bid:
>Any and all work atached to the proposed work by a unlicenced contractor will void all warranties.
>All warranties and laibility are proposed work only.
>This contractor assumes no Liability or Warranty for work other than proposed above.

You could call for a preinspection

Just a couple of ideas.

Rob
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#48817 - 02/21/05 02:07 PM Re: no license of permits
cavo148 Offline
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Registered: 01/19/04
Posts: 79
Loc: New Jersey
Absolutely, give the inspectors a headsup...you're on the same team. There's no reason to walk away, this situation happens all the time with investment properties. The bad guys don't have to know it came from you, around here the usual tipoff is a 20 yard dumpster parked in the driveway. Besides, you may be doing the future homeowners and their children a big, big favor.
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#48818 - 02/21/05 04:22 PM Re: no license of permits
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Quote:
>Any and all work atached to the proposed work by a unlicenced contractor will void all warranties.
>All warranties and laibility are proposed work only.
>This contractor assumes no Liability or Warranty for work other than proposed above.

I have a feeling that they would not really care otherwise they would be using licensed and isured guys with proper permits.
I wouldn't even give it another thought as long as my permit specified I was doing the service only and I got my inspection. I think the inspector will figure out the rest.
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#48819 - 02/21/05 04:35 PM Re: no license of permits
sierra electrician Offline
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Loc: North Fork, CA USA
Scott
I use similar verbage in my quotes. Its intended for the home owner, so they don't scab stuff in that should be an extra to contract.
The loss of thier warranty scares the heck out of them.

Rob
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