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#48127 - 02/04/05 08:15 PM Califoria better get ready....
e57 Offline

Registered: 05/27/03
Posts: 2837
Loc: S.F.,CA USA
California Title-24 Ch 6 is changing!

Residential Electricians and Lighting Designers better get ready for it. It is drastic and sweeping. Draconian even!
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#48128 - 02/04/05 08:36 PM Re: Califoria better get ready....
caselec Offline

Registered: 04/14/02
Posts: 557
Loc: San Jose, CA
I’m still having a hard time convincing designers we have to meet the current energy code. This new one is going to be a nightmare. One benefit will be the sales from having to use occupancy sensors or dimmers for almost every switch in the house. I’m not sure what is going to happen for exterior lights but my guess is there are going to be a lot of temporary fixtures installed to get a final.
Curt Swartz

#48129 - 02/04/05 10:13 PM Re: Califoria better get ready....
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Registered: 02/06/03
Posts: 938
Loc: Wi/ Paris France { France for ...
not only state of californe will do this and there are few other state will adopt this code as well [ state of wisconsin will be adoting this very soon i dont know when effective date will be somehow little diffrent than state of californe will do]

I belive it will make it more challange for some of us to deal with alot of new stuff here and some owners will have hard time to deal with the change of trend to engery saving trend but the tech stuff is allready there from commercal market it will show up in resdentinal aera soon ,

that going drive some cost up a bit too so let see where this trend will go for resdentinal area

merci , marc

[This message has been edited by frenchelectrican (edited 02-05-2005).]
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#48130 - 02/05/05 08:43 AM Re: Califoria better get ready....
Northbayec Offline

Registered: 12/16/04
Posts: 26
Loc: San Rafael, CA U.S.A
Now all we need is lighting manufacturers to realize that there is going to be a huge market for high efficacy light fixtures, maybe giving the public more options for these type of lights - ones that look good in their homes. I don't know about you guys but I spend a lot of time changing out light fixtures and can guts after inspections to keep a lot of my high-end clients happy with their 6 and 7 figure remodels when they did the right thing and pulled permits. Which brings up another topic. What about all the fewer people out their that aren't going to pull that permit to remodel their kitchen or their bathroom because of cost and lighting options. Thus taking more work from the licensed guys and giving them to the guys who don't care about compling with Title 24 - i.e. handymen working for real estate agents feeding the endless market of multi-million $ Bay area homes

Sorry guys I had to vent on that one!

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#48131 - 02/05/05 10:49 AM Re: Califoria better get ready....
mhulbert Offline

Registered: 10/19/04
Posts: 133
Loc: Anaheim, CA USA
I agree this is going to be hard to break to the owners! Hell, even I will agree that a bunch of little 4" cans w/ MR-16's and Xenon counter lights looks 10x better than the flourescent alternative. Flourescent does not scale down to residential sized rooms, and as mentioned above, there are not many fixtures that look good that take pin-based CFL's.

That said, I haven't done a remodel in a while, but my girlfriend's parents are about to start on their kitchen (Poway, CA ), I asked if their building inspector was aksing for flourescents, etc per the 2001 code, and they just gave me a blank stare...

So, who enforces this??? Building dept or is there another inspection by the CA Energy Commission?

Looks like it's time to go learn about dimming ballasts!

#48132 - 02/05/05 11:10 AM Re: Califoria better get ready....
SvenNYC Offline

Registered: 08/19/02
Posts: 1685
Loc: New York City
So does this mean that in all new and renovated housing, most of the lighting now will have to be fluorescent tubes?

Wow! That is pretty heavy-handed.

Of course that's not going to stop average Joe-homeowner from replacing the Circ-line fluorsecent kitchen fixture with a regular porcelain lampholder so he can screw in an incandescent bulb.

#48133 - 02/05/05 12:23 PM Re: Califoria better get ready....
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Registered: 07/05/04
Posts: 615
Loc: Palo Alto, CA, USA
Wow! That is pretty heavy-handed.

Welcome to the People's Fascist Republic of Kalifornia! You can't be trusted to make good choices for how to light your own home, so we're going to make the choices for you.

#48134 - 02/05/05 01:55 PM Re: Califoria better get ready....
Speedy Petey Offline

Registered: 08/29/03
Posts: 175
Loc: Upstate, NY
You got that right Solar.
A beautiful place I don't think I even want to visit. Shame really.
Speedy Petey

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#48135 - 02/05/05 02:55 PM Re: Califoria better get ready....
pdh Offline

Registered: 01/20/05
Posts: 354
I happen to know that many people are very (negatively) sensitive to fluorescent (and similar) lights for various reasons. One common cause with certain visual disorders is sensitivity to the uneven spectrum. Even though the colors are balanced out to give a good character of white, and accurate rendering of color, the spectral peak lines still cause eye stress when trying to focus for some people. Another common cause is the flicker rate at 120 Hz (100 Hz in Europe) can affect certain people with certain neural differences (Autism, Asperger's, and Kanner's). The flicker has not only a time component, but a spectral component because the different color phosphors used to produce different colors decay at different rates during the off cycle. The buzz from the ballast can also affect these same people.

I happen to know about these problems personally because I fit both categories at the same time. I have to use extra incandescent lighting at work, and usually disable or shut off the fluorescent lights around my work area. Lucky for me I don't live in California.

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#48136 - 02/05/05 03:11 PM Re: Califoria better get ready....
Jps1006 Offline

Registered: 01/22/04
Posts: 609
Loc: Northern IL

Do you have problems with the T8's too. They have a higher frequency (400hz?) and the color rendition is much better.

What about HID like HPS & MH or worse Mecury vapor?

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