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#4782 - 10/18/01 08:10 AM Adoption of the NEC
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I have a couple of questions, and would appreciate your thoughts on them.

1. Why should a company learn about the 2002 NEC and all of the changes, if their state will not adopt the 2002 NEC for another 3 years or more?

2. What is the role of the NEC in a State or City that does not adopt the NEC, but has their own like in New York and Chicago?

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#4783 - 10/18/01 08:44 AM Re: Adoption of the NEC
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This is an opinion, but I don't think that it hurts, from a liability standpoint, to be able to say that the work was installed to the latest standard.

As for NY & Chicago, do their codes cover every aspect of electrical work? If they don't, the NEC would certainly be a good place to look for guidance on a particular project.

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#4784 - 10/18/01 09:45 AM Re: Adoption of the NEC
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I agree with Tom. The installation will be per the latest Code, and probably justifiable in a courtroom, where most of don't want to be. The problem with such an installation will be with the AHJ. He has to enforce the former Code. The new installation by the newer Code may be viewed as a violation. And how do you argue your case to the AHJ? do you in fact take him to court? and on what premise?
I am not familiar with NY or Chicago codes, but my guess is that they are more stringent than the NEC. The NEC gives us only a minimum safety for the use of electricity. It does not provide for the most efficient use of electricity, the one thing I wish it would include.

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#4785 - 10/18/01 10:30 AM Re: Adoption of the NEC
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Tom and Warren:

Thanks for your input. I also believe that the industry may want to train their people in the new code because they may have customers in other States that do adopt the NEC as soon as it becomes available.

Companies may want to use the latest code as a best practice to protect their buildings, equipment and staff.
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#4786 - 10/18/01 10:36 AM Re: Adoption of the NEC
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Tom,
Does WV actually adopt the code through legislation? If so, when?

I've been told that there are no WV laws stating adoption of the NEC, but this is old info. and much has changed since, with a new Fire Marshall, Governor, etc...

Just curious, my suspicions are that WV does not adopt at all...
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#4787 - 10/18/01 11:08 AM Re: Adoption of the NEC
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Joe,

Do you mean NY City? rather than NY State?

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#4788 - 10/18/01 11:44 AM Re: Adoption of the NEC
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Bill:

I meant NYC. I edited my message. What electrical code does the State use use?
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#4789 - 10/18/01 04:16 PM Re: Adoption of the NEC
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1)I have talked to sparky's on line that are still using the 96' , yet i beleive they are getting thier CEU's on the 02'. Thier OJT is stunted by 4 yrs or so.

2) Are these 'additions' to the NEC ?

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#4790 - 10/18/01 04:56 PM Re: Adoption of the NEC
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Registered: 08/27/01
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Loc: Vienna,Ohio, USA
1. I would think it prudent for any company to learn the 2002 regardless if the state doesnt use it. IMO it would be not be wise, to be nice, for them not to When you look at the many people who have input into the Code every year and cycle, I cant see how any state would have that many qualified people to input that kind of information.
If a State does have its own code where did it come from, and who wrote it or was it copied from an NEC. Tom makes a very valid point, Liability, and I would think that anything less than the NEC would be nothing but trouble for the city or town.

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#4791 - 10/18/01 05:20 PM Re: Adoption of the NEC
Jim M Offline
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Registered: 08/10/01
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Loc: Chestertown, MD, USA
Where I work in MD, (Baltimore Metro area) one jurisdiction is still using the '93 while the rest are using the 99 and soon the 02 Code.

I take the update classes so I will know what will be accepted in most areas. When I do work under the old Code I need to refresh myself on the old way of doing things. This is a pain on the changes that affect bathrooms and the like. I need to change my way of thinking.

I have worked in one county that will not accept a ufer ground. They say they don't have enough electrical inspectors and the building inspectors won't check for the wire on a footing inspection. It's not their job, it's electrical. How do you deal with 'logic' like that? Oh well, at least they use a Code.

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