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#47275 - 01/13/05 09:01 PM I said no, but.......  
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Finished rough wiring a ~8000 sq. ft. house the other day, and the owner wanted a recep installed in a niche area at the master bath jacuzzi. It is in the tub zone for his TV set. The VDV guys already did their thing and so did I. I hate people with money and no brains. The owner did not see any problem with it!
Anybody else have this type of bizarre customers?


Shoot first, apologize later.....maybe

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#47276 - 01/13/05 09:35 PM Re: I said no, but.......  
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Should have introduced your customer to a HO at a McMansion I did a rough insp at a few weeks back.

This HO found a whirlpool tub (Jacuzzi) with a plasma TV (14-15") built into the tub.

Said "About 11K" when I hinted around to the plumber.

BTW, what are you going to do to pass inspections?????

John


John

#47277 - 01/14/05 06:55 AM Re: I said no, but.......  
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John,- Already passed rough wire, foreigners are sheetrocking.
Not much we can do,HO has been warned.
We are going to type a letter from our lawyer.
BTW John, did you pass that rough wire?


Shoot first, apologize later.....maybe

#47278 - 01/14/05 07:29 AM Re: I said no, but.......  
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Zapped I would not continue installing this outlet!

Kill the feed to it and have it 'mudded' over like it was never there.

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406.8 Receptacles in Damp or Wet Locations.

406.8(C) Bathtub and Shower Space.
A receptacle shall not be installed within a bathtub or shower space.


If, or more likely when someone gets fried you and your company will be on the hook big time and no letter you send the owner will get you out of trouble.

Strictly speaking if it kills someone you could face jail time.

Are you willing to go to jail so this home owner can watch TV from their bath?

In John's case if the TV is built in to the tub it may be perfectly OK.

I doubt highly that John would pass it if it was not in compliance. [Linked Image]

Please reconsider completing this installation!

Also remember that even if you move this outlet out of the tub space that all receptacle outlets in bathrooms need GFCIs not just counter receptacles.

Bob


Bob Badger
Construction & Maintenance Electrician
Massachusetts

#47279 - 01/14/05 09:47 AM Re: I said no, but.......  
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I did something like this some years back, I insisted it wasn't cool, but offered this suggestion, and it might work for you too.

Perminantly glass over the niche, and open an access panel from behind.

or

Have a custom Glass guy put a peice of glass over the niche like Shower Door but with a cabinet lock so it can't be opened accidentally. And the TV can still be operated by remote.

Oh send a registered copy of that letter to your Inspector too, guarentee he'll be back, with second thoughts. Or he should be....


Mark Heller
"Well - I oughta....." -Jackie Gleason

#47280 - 01/14/05 06:39 PM Re: I said no, but.......  
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e57,- That is a great idea, but can't make a back entry, duct work fills all the space. Maybe someone can install a removable glass panel.
Thanks iwire for your input, as always your words are taken seriously, but its out of my hands, and I will not be the one going to jail.


Shoot first, apologize later.....maybe

#47281 - 01/14/05 06:47 PM Re: I said no, but.......  
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Makes you kind of long for the days when there was just one family TV in the living room. [Linked Image]


#47282 - 01/14/05 09:09 PM Re: I said no, but.......  
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If not the back... the sides?

Or the bolted glass idea, both of which has some other benifits of easy cleaning, looks real top notch if done right, not to mention that safety thing.

You can even get one way glass that looks like a mirror when the TV is off, shows through when on.... A bit dark on the picture though. But is real tricked out on the appearance. And the customer looks like less of a tacky moron/wierdo to his guests for having a TV in the tub. Makes them all wonder about the source video.

Hope this is at least an LCD, or Plasma, and not just some cheap set on a shelf.


Mark Heller
"Well - I oughta....." -Jackie Gleason

#47283 - 01/14/05 10:11 PM Re: I said no, but.......  
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zapped208, I don't see how you get to "it's out of my hands." It sounds to me like willful violation of the building codes, and if that results in someone's death, it seems to me that you'd be looking at a manslaughter charge. Not to mention a wrongful death suit looking for everything that you earn for the rest of your life. (IANAL applies to this post.)


#47284 - 01/15/05 06:26 AM Re: I said no, but.......  
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Zapped.

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but its out of my hands, and I will not be the one going to jail.


Why is that, because the boss said to do it?

If the boss tells you to whack the customer on the head with a bender who will be in trouble?

A bit over the top for an example but I think it gets the point across.

You are a qualified person that installed an outlet where it is not allowed, you will be held accountable if something happens.

Even if an inspector passes the job it does not let you off the hook.

Forget about jail and lawsuits how will you feel if you contributed to someones death?

Good luck, Bob


Bob Badger
Construction & Maintenance Electrician
Massachusetts

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