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#46241 - 12/16/04 07:53 AM Keeping generators in sync
CalSparky Offline

Registered: 03/14/04
Posts: 32
Loc: Northern California
I have seen big generators that are connected in parallel synced by
connecting a light bulb between them. When the bulb stops flashing, the
generators are in sync (phase). My question is how are the generators kept
in sync. Unless both generators run at EXACTLY the same speed, the
generators will soon get out of phase. I've seen this trick performed
before electronic speed governors were available.

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#46242 - 12/16/04 10:54 AM Re: Keeping generators in sync
GamecockEE Offline

Registered: 07/28/04
Posts: 49
Loc: Georgetown, SC 29440
I'm trying to remember from my years spent at a paper mill, so if I get it not quite right, I hope the readers don't pan me. If the generators are operating as an island, one generator will be the master frequency controller and the other will usually be base loaded with a certain amount of load. If they are operated in parallel with the utility, the utility is the master, with the two other units sharing the load in some sort of arrangement. All this is done by microprocessor control. Some of these utility guys ought to be able to learn us something.

#46243 - 12/16/04 11:40 AM Re: Keeping generators in sync
winnie Offline

Registered: 09/15/03
Posts: 652
Loc: boston, ma
The devil is in the details, and there are many details that I don't know, but...

Once the generator is in synch with the bus, it will tend to stay synchronized.

If the generator were to try to speed up, then the electrical power output of the generator would increase. This will result in a corresponding increase in torque demanded by the generator.

If the generator were to try to slow down, then the electrical power output of the generator would decrease. This will result in a corresponding decrease in torque demanded by the generator.

The change in torque acts in the opposite direction of any speed change; the net result is that the generator simply stays synchronized. If you were to simply 'cut out' the prime mover entirely, then the generator would start acting as a motor to maintain shaft speed.

You can imagine the entire grid as a large flywheel, and the generator as a small flywheel coupled to the large flywheel through a spring with some damping. With changes in load, you get small changes in the relative angle between the two flywheels, but the overall speed stays the same. If the small flywheel tries to fall out of synch with the large flywheel, the spring pulls it back to equilibrium.

With asynchronous (induction) generators, you do get speed changes around synchronous; but the net result is essentially the same.

The complexity comes in when you get stuff like hunting and subharmonic oscillations, where the mechanical system is exchanging energy back and forth with the electromagnetic system, or exchanging energy through the electromagnetic system between generators. You can imagine how a sudden change in load might make the small flywheel oscillate around its equilibrium position....



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