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#46072 - 12/11/04 08:30 AM have you guys ever done practice bids ?
detubbs Offline
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have you guys ever done practice bids on here(for fun) for a fictional job? for instance the moderator or webmaster could give us the material breakdown for a job and we all could "bid" it like we do and see how things turn out? granted due to area differences some maybe extremely high or low incomparrison to everyone else but it still could be fun and a learning experiance for us Estimators / Electricians!
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#46073 - 12/11/04 09:01 AM Re: have you guys ever done practice bids ?
Bill Addiss Offline
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This was something we kicked around a couple years ago (!!) but never really got started.

I still don't know how feasible it is, but the idea was to make a set of plans available to interested members in a format (some form of CAD?) that could be printed out at a local printer and we could all discuss things like NEC (minimum/++) requirements, layout, takeoff and estimating options.

The idea was to do a couple of different types of buildings and layouts.

What do you all think?

Bill
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#46074 - 12/11/04 10:22 AM Re: have you guys ever done practice bids ?
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As far as everyone being able to view the drawings with a free viewer, I was surprised to see that Volo View Express was no longer available from Auto Desk. However, It looks like they still offer a couple other free viewers.... Any opinions here???

I think many estimators have a standard line line I used often. " I don't need the practice anymore". It is not hard to feel that way when you bid day after day and only get maybe 10% of the jobs you bid.

On the other hand. Sure I'll play. Just don't tell me "This 150k sq/ft job bids tomorrow at noon."

Edit: I do some of my bidding from a pay fee to be on bid list company that uses On-Screen Take off as a plan viewer. But, I view the files in an OST format and don't know if other extensions can be viewed.

I do know that OST is a free download.

[This message has been edited by kentvw (edited 12-11-2004).]
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#46075 - 12/11/04 10:55 AM Re: have you guys ever done practice bids ?
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Loc: New Jersey
We tried this on one of our business chats, I posted a link with the Floor Plan DWG. which was easy to access, However we had only 4 in the room, i think we would have to post well in advance to attract more.
I am ready to try again, this Wed 12/15 at 9:00PM EST.

Les
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#46076 - 12/11/04 11:18 AM Re: have you guys ever done practice bids ?
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Keep it simple.

If it takes too much time I won't be able to participate.........

It could cut into the time I have to post on internet message boards!

[This message has been edited by golf junkie (edited 12-11-2004).]
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#46077 - 12/11/04 01:01 PM Re: have you guys ever done practice bids ?
LK Offline
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Ok, we will Keep it simple.

This is a flawed plan, for additional work to an existing building, walls and ceiling are open, owner started as DIY job, fans supplied by customer.

Find the errors, correct, and good luck bidding.

Plan at www.millelectric.com/plan3.htm

Discussion for this plan on Wed 12/15 9:00 PM EST Business Chat.



[This message has been edited by LK (edited 12-11-2004).]
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#46078 - 12/11/04 01:08 PM Re: have you guys ever done practice bids ?
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Oh no!
The first thing I would do is fire off an RFI with a couple dozen questions. Either that or low ball this job and qualify be bejaybers out of my proposal.
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#46079 - 12/11/04 02:16 PM Re: have you guys ever done practice bids ?
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Registered: 04/22/01
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Loc: York, NE
Sorry,

Residential is T&M only.
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#46080 - 12/12/04 09:40 AM Re: have you guys ever done practice bids ?
detubbs Offline
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Registered: 11/18/04
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if this is a new addition, not a remodel, i think i've got a estimate done for the 3 rooms hall and exterior lighting.
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#46081 - 12/12/04 03:30 PM Re: have you guys ever done practice bids ?
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Registered: 06/21/01
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Fixing some one elses junk is Time and material only. Latest job of this, I thought the company before me was decent and did good work-- Wrong. So far I have over 90 man hours in just finding what they did and did not do. Plus 15 hours installing all the switches, receptacles and luminares.
Walking the job before hand, I estimated 40 manhours tops.
Thank goodness I bid at time and marerial only.
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