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#40539 - 07/24/04 08:38 AM HID Lighting
PAUL0510 Offline

Registered: 07/23/04
Posts: 14
I have a question about outside flood lights. I was wondering how to trouble shoot HID lights. I had one that was shorting out a circuit. All the wires inside the fixture looked fine. Could it be the cap. or starter? Maybe the trans. It is a hubbell(mhs--0400s-268-pcr)with a GE LU400 lamp. What do the numbers and letters stand for exactly? Ive changed out the light with a new one but it is not the same. it is a hubbell (mhs-y400h-468-1) it came with a 400w mvr400/u GE lamp. I thought it would come with a metal halide lamp. Can you replace a mercury vapor with a metal halide? or vice versa? All of the other lights have a LU400 GE lamps. The outside of the building looks ugly with diferent types of lamps.
Any help is greatly appriciated.

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#40540 - 07/24/04 03:08 PM Re: HID Lighting
Tom Offline

Registered: 01/01/01
Posts: 1069
Loc: Shinnston, WV USA
Visit to determine what those Hubbell numbers mean.

I think GE calls their Metal Halide lamps "MultiVapor" which could account for the MVR in the catalog number, the 400 is the wattage & the "U" is for universal position.

If you can lay your hands on a Lithonia catalog, they have a troubleshooting guide in the back.. Or, go to and download their "Pocket Guide to High Intensity Discharge Lamps and Ballasts" which also includes a troubleshooting section.

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#40541 - 07/24/04 04:38 PM Re: HID Lighting
caselec Offline

Registered: 04/14/02
Posts: 557
Loc: San Jose, CA
Your original flood light is designed for 400 watt high pressure sodium lamps. The floodlight you replaced it with is for 400 watt metal halide lamps. You can not interchange the two lamps. You will need to replace the ballast or order a new floodlight. The “S” after the wattage in the mhs-0400s-268 catalog number stands for high pressure sodium. “H” is for metal halide and “P” is for pulse start metal halide.

Curt Swartz

#40542 - 07/25/04 05:35 AM Re: HID Lighting
uksparky Offline

Registered: 07/06/04
Posts: 199
Loc: UK
Can a lamp of the same wattage be used with any ballast rated for that wattage, such as, a 400 W Metal Halide lamp with a 400 W High Pressure Sodium ballast?
No. A lamp will only operate properly when used with the ballast designed for that particular lamp. The lamps to be used with a particular ballast are listed on the ballast label and in the ballast literature. Lamp and ballast compatibility is assured by matching the American National Standards Institute (ANSI) designations for both the lamp and the ballast. Using a lamp that is not specified will affect ballast life, lamp life or both. HID lamps all have specified unique operating characteristics. The ballasts have been designed to operate the lamps within those specified parameters.


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#40543 - 07/25/04 09:54 AM Re: HID Lighting
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Registered: 02/29/04
Posts: 73
Loc: Alberta Canada
Although you can use a mercury vapour bulb with a metal halide ballast, but you can't use a metal halide bulb in a mercury vapour ballast.

#40544 - 07/25/04 06:35 PM Re: HID Lighting
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CRM: that is correct because the ballast open circuit voltage is diffent between the mercury vapour and metal haldie bulb.

Paul ,, i will suggest to recheck the ballast to see what the label it say what type of lamp it required to use if say 'M-51" or S-51 please watch out the ballast destaion number you can not interchange both bulbs at all otherwise you will damged the running gears.

merci , marc
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#40545 - 07/26/04 11:52 AM Re: HID Lighting
PAUL0510 Offline

Registered: 07/23/04
Posts: 14
Thanks for the info. I was able to talk the owner into getting some new fixtures. $$$$ Thanks again.


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