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#4043 - 09/07/01 10:19 PM Multiple Motors  
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I am installing 6 identicle pieces of equipment in particular area. Each unit has a 1hp. 460 volt 3phase motor, FLA is 3amps. I have motor starters complete with OL relays set at 3.75 amps on each unit. I am planning on having 1 branch circuit to supply all six units and have a twistlock plug and receptacle at each unit for disconnecting means. According to my calculations a 20 amp circuit would be right, 3amp X 5 units = 15 amps + 3.75 amps for the 6th unit = 18.75 amps (or 20 amps). Am I figuring this right? Also I currently have a 30 amp unused branch circuit at this location. Is there a problem with using that circuit and installing 20amp fuses on each phase before continuing on to my recepts? I know this setup will work, but does anyone know of a safer and/or more practicle way of connecting this equipment?


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#4044 - 09/09/01 06:04 AM Re: Multiple Motors  
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Nevin, check out your math here [Linked Image]

http://necdirect.org/cgi-bin/SoftCa....htm?L+necnonmembers+rwfl8151+1000047299


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#4045 - 09/09/01 12:03 PM Re: Multiple Motors  
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I might be sticking my foot in it here, but if I am, we'll all benefit from it.

I don't feel that this installation would comply with 430-53. Part (a) would require the branch circuit to be protected at not over 15 amps.

Part (b) the smallest rated motor is not protected per 430-52 & table 430-152. 300% x 3 amps = 9 amps which would require 15 amp fuses (see standard sizes 240-6).

You might be able to comply with part (c) or (d), but it would depend on what you're using as a controller.

If all motors don't run at the same time, going to 15 amp fuses looks about right. Otherwise, this installation would have to come into compliance with 430-53(b) or (c) or (d).

Tom

[This message has been edited by Tom (edited 09-09-2001).]


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#4046 - 09/09/01 08:42 PM Re: Multiple Motors  
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So it looks like i have 2 options, 1. to comply with 430-53(a) my branch circuit has to protected with an OCPD of not more then 15 amps. or 2. comply with 430-53(c) having motor controllers with proper listings for group installations etc which would allow me to use a 20 amp circuit (3amps X 6 units = 18amps) next normal size above that = 20 amp circuit.


#4047 - 09/11/01 05:05 PM Re: Multiple Motors  
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I don't know how much luck you would have with the "marking" part, but the rest of it comes down to a combination starter (built in breaker or switch with fuses). Otherwise, your choices are as you stated them.

Good luck.

Tom


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#4048 - 09/12/01 05:57 PM Re: Multiple Motors  
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Actually, you have one more choice, but I don't think it changes much. You could call the 20 amp circuit a "feeder", or even leave it as a 30 amp circuit, but you would still need combinations starters with a breaker or set of fuses in them. See part E of article 430.


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