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#39879 - 07/05/04 05:31 PM storable swimming pools
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I have an above ground swimming pool located approx 200 ft from the panel. Is it permissable to install UF cable 12 inches deep directly to the line side of a GFCI receptacle and then the load side to the pump (single receptacle 6ft from inside wall of pool).

In reviewing the code I haven't seen anything that disallows UF cable for a storable pool pumps. Any help would be appreciated.....
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#39880 - 07/05/04 05:39 PM Re: storable swimming pools
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Look at 680.30 and 680.20(A)(1).
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#39881 - 07/05/04 05:50 PM Re: storable swimming pools
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Don,

Thanks for the info, but I've already reviewed these sections and they did not address my question regarding UF cable.

By the way, 680-20 (a) (1) Pertains to Permanently Installed Pools and not Storable Pools.
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#39882 - 07/05/04 09:34 PM Re: storable swimming pools
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to address the issue of depth look to table 300.5 (02 nec) minimum cover requirements look at column 4 and and all locations not specified below would allow for 12 in burial depth...but must put the GFCI protection and 20 amp ocpd in the panel or in the house(ie breaker or gfi and load out to the pool).
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#39883 - 07/06/04 05:05 AM Re: storable swimming pools
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Sparky,

Thank you for your reply. So far it looks like I'm within code although the real question is the use of UF cable. An Inspector failed this install due to the use of UF cable. I would nornally have installed this with PVC However, the homeowner was trying to save some money (he dug the trench as well). In the mean time his yard is all a mess. Still trying to get resolution.

Thanks again,
Bob
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#39884 - 07/06/04 03:12 PM Re: storable swimming pools
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So long as you don't have an underwater luminaire in this storable pool, the use of UF to serve a remote receptacle in the yard for the double insulated pump is allowed.
680.6 allows the pool receptacle (within 10-20 feet)to be fed with UF.
If you do have a luminaire, then the requirements of 680.23 kick in, and an insulated ground is required; 680.33
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#39885 - 07/06/04 05:13 PM Re: storable swimming pools
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Thanks again to all who have responded!

Here is what the inspector stated today. The reason he failed the inspection was due to 680-25.(c) which pertain to motors. In a nutshell it states that the equipment grounding conductor shall be insulated and installed with the circuit conductors in ...rigid nonmetallic conduit etc...).

In reading this section it does seem that PVC is required. I also verified this in the Stallcup's Electrical Design Book which stated the grounding conductor must be installed and run with the circuit conductors in rigid metal conduit, intermediate metal conduit, or rigid nonmetallic conduit from the panelboard to the deck.

Looks like a costly lesson for me.
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#39886 - 07/06/04 07:30 PM Re: storable swimming pools
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If what you have is in fact a "Storable Pool" 680.25 C does not apply. All you need is a gfci receptacle. No bonding either. I see no reason you could not use UF cable for this receptacle as long as the wiring is not within 5' of the pool. Even if there is a luminaire I don't see a requirement for an insulated equipment ground on a storable pool.
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#39887 - 07/06/04 08:43 PM Re: storable swimming pools
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680.30 says" Storable pools shall comply with sections I & III. 680.25 is in section II.
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#39888 - 07/07/04 05:01 AM Re: storable swimming pools
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Obsaleet/Electricmanscott,

I hope you are both right however, 680-30 does not state "shall comply with Sections I and II.

Am I missing something? What confuses me is 680-25 (c) does state specific grounding requirements (i.e., insulated grounding conductor) for pool associated motors but does it really apply to storable pools, by the way there are no lighting fixtures for this above ground pool.

I really appreciate your helping out with this issue.

Bob
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