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#31448 - 11/22/03 06:29 PM Mix and Match breakers and panels?
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Is there a list that shows what breaker will fit in what panel and be code compliant?

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#31449 - 11/22/03 08:01 PM Re: Mix and Match breakers and panels?
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Registered: 04/20/02
Posts: 928
Loc: Alpharetta, GA
If you find one, let me know. I did some research a while back and found a list on Siemens web site of what panels their breakers were listed for. I included GE. The next week we failed an inspection for a Siemens breaker in a GE panel. The inspector was very insistent that no breakers were ever listed to be in other panels and wouldn't listen to me. I was going to print the web page for him, but it wasn't worth the effort, I just changed the breaker.

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#31450 - 11/22/03 08:56 PM Re: Mix and Match breakers and panels?
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Registered: 11/10/00
Posts: 2209
Loc: IL
Guys,
Just because it fits doesn't mean that you can use it. There are "classified" breakers that are made to fit in panels made by other manufacturers. These "classified" breakers have been tested in the same manner as the "listed" breakers made by the panel manufacturer. The "classified" breakers are supplied with a list of panels that they have been classified for use in.
Don
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#31451 - 11/23/03 08:10 AM Re: Mix and Match breakers and panels?
sparked Offline
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Registered: 09/23/03
Posts: 101
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Thomas and Betts makes some breakers that fit in about 8 different panel brands (so they say, i've never tried one)

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#31452 - 11/23/03 08:32 AM Re: Mix and Match breakers and panels?
iwire Offline
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More importantly the Thomas & Betts breakers are UL classified for use in other panels.

The T&B breakers have the panel model numbers that they fit right on the side of the breakers.
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#31453 - 11/23/03 11:08 AM Re: Mix and Match breakers and panels?
Edward Offline
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Registered: 12/14/02
Posts: 309
Loc: California
T&B Distribution Equipment
UL Classified Breakers
Bulk-Pack White Sleeve Boxes
Item # Description UPC Code 7 86210 Std.
Ctn.
TB115C 1 Pole 15 amp 20079-8 48
TB120C 1 Pole 20 amp 20082-8 48
TB125C 1 Pole 25 amp 20085 48
TB130C 1 Pole 30 amp 20084-2 48
TB135C 1 Pole 35 amp 57141 48
TB140C 1 Pole 40 amp 20087-3 48
TB145C 1 Pole 45 amp 57143 48
TB150C 1 Pole 50 amp 20088-0 48
TB215C 2 Pole 15 amp 20089-7 24
TB220C 2 Pole 20 amp 20090-3 24
TB225C 2 Pole 25 amp 20083 24
TB230C 2 Pole 30 amp 20091-0 24
TB235C 2 Pole 35 amp 57142 24
TB240C 2 Pole 40 amp 20092-7 24
TB245C 2 Pole 45 amp 57146 24
TB250C 2 Pole 50 amp 20093-4 24
T&B Classified Breakers
• Meet rigorous UL test requirements (UL File E-162469).
• Meet electrical inspectors’ requirements for being a compatible
replacement for those specific breakers previously referred to as
“interchangeable.”
• Are mechanically interchangeable with those specific breakers sold in the
U.S. today.
• Are suitable for use in most Westinghouse, Bryant, Challenger, Sylvania,
GE, Murray, Siemens, and T&B panelboards and are Classified to replace
many of these as illustrated in the following chart.
Bulk Pack White
Sleeve Boxes
CLASSIFIED
PRODUCT
Underwriters Laboratories Inc.®
This circuit breaker is listed for use in circuit breaker
enclosures and panelboards intended and marked for
its use. This circuit breaker is Classified for use, where
the available short circuit current is 10kA, 120/240 V ac
or less, in the compatible panelboards shown in
Publication No. T5651863 provided with this circuit
breaker. When used as a Classified circuit breaker, do
not use in equipment connected to circuits having an
available system short-circuit current in excess of 10
kA, 120/240 V ac. If additional information is necessary,
contact Thomas & Betts Corporation, Memphis TN.
Compatibility List for the Classified Applications
Thomas & Betts Corporation
Listed Breaker TB115C - TB250C
15-50 A 120/240V
SYSTEM SUPPLY
1 Phase 3 Wire 120/240V
Max. Short Circuit Current 10kA
MURRAY
Listed Breaker MP115-MP250
Listed Panelboards
LC112DF/DS LC236PC
LC116DF/DS LC240PC
LC120DF/DS JA112CW
LC220EC/PC JA112CY
LC224EC/PC JA224CY
LC230EC/PC JA222CW
WESTINGHOUSE
Listed Breaker BR115-BR250
Listed Panelboards
S (6-12) C/CG/CD/CDG/R
S (8-16) C/CG/CD/CDG/R
B/N/L12 (12-24) CT/CGT
L/B10 (20-20) CT/R/C
L/B15 (30-30) CT/R/C
L/N/B20 (20-40) CT/R/C
L/N/B20 (30-40) CT/R/C
L/N/B20 (40-40) CT/R/C
WMB 10 (12-24) FN /SN/SB
WMB 20 (20-40) FN/SN/SB
GENERAL ELECTRIC
Listed Breaker THQL1115-THQL2150
Listed Panelboards
TM2010C/R TLM612F/S/R
TM1212C/CT TLM810F/S/R
TM1210C/R TLM812F/S/R
TM2020C/CT/R TM3020C/R
SIEMENS
Listed Breaker Q115-Q250
Listed Panelboards
G2020MB1100 E0612ML1125CU
G2040MB1200 W0612ML1125CU
G2440MB1200 E0812ML1225CU
G3040MB1200 W0812ML1125CU
G3030MB1200 E0816ML1125CU
W0816ML1125CU
CHALLENGER
LIsted Breaker C115-C250
Listed Panelboards
SL12 (6-12) CN/CDN/CDGN/RN
SL12 (8-16) CN/CGN/RN
SLB/SL12 (12-24) CCT/CCGT
SL/SB10 (20-20) CT/R/C
SL/SB15 (30-30) CT/R/C
SL/SLB/SB20 (20-40) CT/R/C
SL/SLB/SB20 (30-40) CT/R/C
SL/SLB/SB20 (40-40) CT/R/C
SMB 10 (12-24) FN/SN/SB
SMB 20 (20-40) FN/SN/SB
SUITABLE FOR USE IN ALL Thomas & Betts
LABELED PANELS
Publication No. T5651863
DO NOT USE IN SERIES RATED SYSTEMS
Listed ®
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#31454 - 11/23/03 11:13 AM Re: Mix and Match breakers and panels?
Edward Offline
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Registered: 12/14/02
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Loc: California
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#31455 - 11/24/03 05:06 AM Re: Mix and Match breakers and panels?
electure Offline

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Registered: 12/24/00
Posts: 4226
Loc: Fullerton, CA USA
Why would the C/B's be suitable only for use on a 1Ø system?...S

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