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#29639 - 09/21/03 03:15 PM Bidding on a new church
rmiell Offline
Registered: 11/09/00
Posts: 242
Loc: La Junta, Co. USA
Got an interesting request for a bid on a new church building. Has the normal pulpit/alter area, with pews and cathredal ceiling, and a few offices. It will also have a few (4) small classrooms, a kitchen and a dining area, as well as the necessary bathrooms.

How would one go about bidding on this job? Would you who do this normally bid it at a square foot price, or another way?

I am sure that it would have to be pipe/a/c cable, and would expect it to have fluorescent wrap-a-rounds in all rooms except the cathredal proper. What type of lighting would one put in this area? Floods, recessed cans, indirect fluorescent?

It will also have a walk-in babtismal pit, full of heated water. Anyone have experience with wiring for this? I am leaning towards the hot-tub type of setup, without the jets.

Thanks in advance for any info provided.

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#29640 - 09/21/03 03:49 PM Re: Bidding on a new church
golf junkie Offline
Registered: 04/22/01
Posts: 507
Loc: York, NE

Bid this the same way you would any other commercial project. We bid by the opening, but it seems that everyone has their own method.

Lighting is really up to the customer and their budget. The last one we did used recessed cans, but that is the low cost/ high maintenance solution. You can ask your lighting supplier for recommended lighting levels to make sure you provide adequate fixtures.

Most of the baptismals I have seen have used some type of residential water heater. I cringe every time I see one of these set-ups. Your idea of using a listed pool / spa heater is a much better way to go and the only one I would recommend to a customer.

Good luck,
#29641 - 09/21/03 03:56 PM Re: Bidding on a new church
sparky Offline
Registered: 10/18/00
Posts: 5303
watch those high cielings Rick, i really wished for wings last church i had anything to do with

once the pews are bolted to the floor, the staging becomes a nightmare....
#29642 - 09/21/03 04:44 PM Re: Bidding on a new church
classicsat Offline
Registered: 11/23/02
Posts: 456
The lights in the cathedral proper would propably be pendants, unless headroom is low.

Then again, just about all the churches I've been in are of the tradiotional gothic revival type, and all have pendants.
#29643 - 09/21/03 07:55 PM Re: Bidding on a new church
ga.sparky56 Offline
Registered: 11/24/02
Posts: 558
Loc: young harris georgia usa
We've done a couple of churches.

The lighting in the sanctuary (what a Baptist calls the cathedral here)is generally a mixture of recessed and chandlier type fixtures.

Usually the lighting around the pulpit and choir area is dimmable recessed.

The problem we have around here is the lack of code enforcement allows the hacks to bid them in nm-b.

The ones we've done have been in emt/ac cable.I'd figure in some wheeled scaffolding also.

#29644 - 09/22/03 06:15 AM Re: Bidding on a new church
mvrandazzo Offline
Registered: 05/13/02
Posts: 110
No AC in places of assembly, use MC instead. Treat the baptizmal the same as you would a pool or spa. The stage area lighting can get pretty elaborate with controllable dimming, and expensive. Also, check with the person doing the audio/video. They may want isolated ground circuits. Putting the A/V on the same leg of a 3 phase system also reduces the chance for noise in the sound system. They may need special wiring needs. Don't forget to ask for a prayer request while you are there.

#29645 - 09/22/03 03:53 PM Re: Bidding on a new church
LK Offline
Registered: 01/21/03
Posts: 1429
Loc: New Jersey
If you are missing fixture information on the plans, that may be telling you something, like many hours of planning and approval. The lighting in a church can be a project by itself, as noted if the fixtures are not staged before the pews are in you will need a prayer request. The MC cable install needs another prayer request. So I guess if schedule enough prayer requests, It will help with the bankruptcy also.
Not sq ft.estimate , every church is not alike.
List every stop and carry labor and material,
with extended costs for both.
One of the local contractors had a church project, that the lighting control panel came in at the cost of $14,000 , He estimated the cost at $3,000 a little off.
It was stage lighting, they told him it was dimmers.

Check all the items and Good Luck

[This message has been edited by LK (edited 09-22-2003).]
#29646 - 09/22/03 05:05 PM Re: Bidding on a new church
ga.sparky56 Offline
Registered: 11/24/02
Posts: 558
Loc: young harris georgia usa
Apoligies guys,It was mc cable we used.

#29647 - 09/23/03 11:48 AM Re: Bidding on a new church
rowdyrudy Offline
Registered: 11/02/02
Posts: 169
Loc: Mascoutah, IL USA
My company had a policy of never to perform work for any church group or lawyers. It saved us from whiners wanting to get free work and lawsuits. Based upon what a friend, who does churches, told me they have the potential of a quagmire.
#29648 - 09/23/03 09:13 PM Re: Bidding on a new church
nesparky Offline
Registered: 06/21/01
Posts: 642
Loc: omaha,ne
You must have meet the same church clowns I have. I had to go to court to get paid. Took almost 3 years.
Now the only way I'll even look at a church is if the put the money in an escrow account and make at least a 35% down payment.
Have done 4 church jobs, have had more problems with each of them than any 10 other jobs.
Make sure you have every thing nailed down legally. If there is a way to cause you a problem, one of the loudest psalm singers will find it.

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