The Electrical Contractor Network

ECN Electrical Forum
Discussion Forums for Electricians, Inspectors and Related Professionals

Books, Tools and Test Equipment for Electrical and Construction Trades

Register Now!

Register Now!

We want your input!

Featured:
   

2017 NEC and Related
2017 NEC
Now Available!

   
Recent Posts
Calling all Non-US members!! (Non-US only)
by aussie240
Today at 02:39 AM
Photo Upload Tutorial
by DanK
Yesterday at 11:35 PM
Sprinklered equipment 26-008
by bigpapa
12/02/16 04:24 PM
On Delay Relay with Auto Reset
by Potseal
12/01/16 09:59 AM
Wow, that was close!
by jraef
11/28/16 07:06 PM
New in the Gallery:
12.5A through 0.75mm˛ flex (just out of curiosity)
Shout Box

Top Posters (30 Days)
gfretwell 13
HotLine1 9
Texas_Ranger 8
sparkyinak 7
Trumpy 6
Who's Online
0 registered (), 109 Guests and 5 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Page 1 of 2 1 2 >
Topic Options
Rate This Topic
#26395 - 06/10/03 07:44 PM How do you warranty your work?
Bill Addiss Offline
Member

Registered: 10/07/00
Posts: 4196
Loc: NY, USA
Just curious how everyone warrantys their work they do, specifically the parts involved.

For example, a Timeclock, or Attic Fan you installed at the end of last season doesn't work this year. Customer is looking at you to fix or replace it, how do you handle it?

How about Electronics, Low Voltage switching modules, motion detectors, etc that may be sensative to voltage spikes, Lightning storms etc?

Bill

Top
Work Gear for Electricians and the Trades

Work Gear for Electricians and the Trades
Work Gear for Electricians and the Trades
Arc Flash Clothing, Gloves, KneePads, Tool Belts, Pouches, Tool Carriers, etc. etc....

#26396 - 06/11/03 03:36 AM Re: How do you warranty your work?
walrus Offline
Member

Registered: 07/25/02
Posts: 671
Loc: Bangor Me. USA
I warranty electronics all the time. If the company stands behind their parts then so do I but its the part not my labor. Where I don't deal with homeowners its not a big deal. If the part failed within hours and or a few days then I generally eat the labor but it depends on whether or not I have to keep the peace
I can't imagine its that easy dealing with homeowners though

Top
#26397 - 06/11/03 04:16 AM Re: How do you warranty your work?
sparky Offline
Member

Registered: 10/18/00
Posts: 5545
I deal with this issue by having the homeowners obtain thier own fixtures.

In the residential arena, the markup vs. the agravation makes this a standard for me.

If i am requested to purchase (for instance) a motion detector i will inform them they are getting a high end ( usually $80 and up) model w/warranty that they sign/mail in.

If a customer is in a high lightning area, i will point out the sensitive switching, or other electronics that i will buy/install may require some level of protection.

Past that, my policy is simply to wire everything bomb proof

Top
#26398 - 06/11/03 04:56 AM Re: How do you warranty your work?
iwire Offline
Moderator

Registered: 01/05/03
Posts: 4343
Loc: North Attleboro, MA USA
We do parts and labor for one year, excluding lamps.

I believe this is a MA state requirement but I am not sure on that.

We do not do residential work, what gets interesting is some large retail chains supply the distribution and lighting equipment for there projects but we still have to do the warranty work on these items for free. This is by contract not the law.

So when they buy the cheapest lighting they can find we know we will be back changing ballasts many times during the year.

We can either buy the ballasts ourselves or chase the manufactures.
_________________________
Bob Badger
Construction & Maintenance Electrician
Massachusetts

Top
#26399 - 06/11/03 05:59 AM Re: How do you warranty your work?
Bill Addiss Offline
Member

Registered: 10/07/00
Posts: 4196
Loc: NY, USA
 Quote:
I can't imagine its that easy dealing with homeowners though
walrus,

You can say that again! I think your approach is fair and justified, but it doesn't usually go over so well with the residential and small business customers.

Bill

Top
#26400 - 06/11/03 06:30 AM Re: How do you warranty your work?
Bill Addiss Offline
Member

Registered: 10/07/00
Posts: 4196
Loc: NY, USA
Sparky,

I've been inclined to go with your method of letting them pick out their own stuff as much as practical, but I'm sure that you can agree that doesn't always work out either.

If you are asked to supply things like Electronic switches, motion detectors, etc, and they later go bad, say under 1 year, do you replace for FREE?

Top
#26401 - 06/11/03 07:59 AM Re: How do you warranty your work?
HotLine1 Offline

Member

Registered: 04/03/02
Posts: 6804
Loc: Brick, NJ USA
Bill:
Had to jump in here.....
The "good/regular" clients (comm) get a 1 year, no questions asked warranty. THe mfg usually stands behind there products, if you "buy" the better grade items. The 1 year does exclude lamps/bulbs unless covered by the mfg.

We do a lot of site lighting, and on new installs with one brand, here is there warranty policy:
Fixture/pole finish; seven (7) years
Fixture components; three (3) years
BULBS, one (1) year.

I have to say that we ahve had very, very few "call-backs", even with that ^ warranty. BTW, they pay for materials; RGA basis thru the factory, and may consider renumeration for labor in some circumstances.

John
_________________________
John

Top
#26402 - 06/11/03 08:59 PM Re: How do you warranty your work?
sparky Offline
Member

Registered: 10/18/00
Posts: 5545
 Quote:
but I'm sure that you can agree that doesn't always work out either.

True, no one format is universal

 Quote:
If you are asked to supply things like Electronic switches, motion detectors, etc, and they later go bad, say under 1 year, do you replace for FREE?


yes, if in face the product, not the usage, is bad...

Top
#26403 - 06/12/03 03:32 AM Re: How do you warranty your work?
Electricmanscott Offline
Member

Registered: 01/12/02
Posts: 1478
Loc: Holden, MA USA
I insist I buy everything except surface mount light fixtures. Everything I buy, lots of dimmers, undercabinet lights and such, one year warranty. My supplier takes these returns without a hassle. Labor I eat and don't worry about it. If the problem is with something they buy they are billed for my time. I feel part of marking up products you sell is to cover yourself in this situatiion.

Top
#26404 - 06/12/03 05:18 AM Re: How do you warranty your work?
PCBelarge Offline
Member

Registered: 06/08/03
Posts: 657
Loc: Dobbs Ferry, NY, USA
Experience in this arena is the best teacher.
When I first started contracting, I would give the house away, a great way to build the business, but no way to make money. Always running,
Now I have learned the 'good customers' residential or commercial will pay for good work, reliable work, and someone who answers the phone. Also most people do not value free work and than they expect it. What I tell them is two of my favorite lines.
1. When they ask for volume discounts -
"when you go to the grocercy store do you ask for a discount on the milk you buy?"
2. If they ask 'what can you do with the price?' Lets say the quote was $ 32,500.00
"make it $35,000.00"
This lets them know that I do not bargain. The general public today has been trained (brainwashed) to always try to get a bargain.
As my business grew I learned (mostly the hard way) to weed out the ones who did not want to pay. Time and experience will show you what works for you.

School of hard knocks,

Pierre

P.S. If we had these forums when I started, it probably would have been easier.
_________________________
Pierre Belarge

Top
Page 1 of 2 1 2 >



ECN Electrical Forums - sponsored by Electrical Contractor Network - Electrical and Code Related Discussion for Electrical Contractors, Electricians, Inspectors, Instructors, Engineers and other related Professionals