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#24362 - 04/10/03 06:42 AM re: GFCI receps
Doug Scott Offline

Registered: 02/05/03
Posts: 24
Loc: Jonesville, Michigan, USA
Im from Michigan, and as some know we are behind in times in the electrical industry and are still working out of the 1999 NEC.
My question; I am an inspector, I had a contractor call me this morning regarding a new GFCI recep that breaks both the Hot and Neutral which I guess doubles the price of these receps. Question is this required in the 2002 NEC or is this just a manufactures way of increasing profits?

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#24363 - 04/10/03 07:32 AM Re: re: GFCI receps
Bill Addiss Offline

Registered: 10/07/00
Posts: 4196
Loc: NY, USA

Welcome, I think many are in the same boat NEC-wise.
NY is on the '99 and was on the '93 last year at this time.

On the GFCI issue, here's an excerpt from a UL announcement, you can look there for more info. The jist of it is that after Jan 1, 2003 GFCIs have to meet different manufacturing standards.
UL has adopted new and revised requirements for Ground-Fault Circuit-Interrupters (GFCIs) that become effective January 1, 2003. Among others, these requirements include enhanced requirements for immunity to voltage surges, resistance to moisture and corrosion, reverse line-load miswiring, and resistance to environmental noise. Though products meeting these revised requirements will soon enter the marketplace, they are not required to have any special markings to distinguish them from models made prior to January 1, 2003.
Click >> more info


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#24364 - 04/10/03 08:07 AM Re: re: GFCI receps
classicsat Offline

Registered: 11/23/02
Posts: 449
???? GFCIs always bork the hot(s) and neutral.

#24365 - 04/10/03 11:51 AM Re: re: GFCI receps
Redsy Offline

Registered: 03/28/01
Posts: 2138
Loc: Bucks County PA
As far as I know, GFCIs always broke hot & neutral. That was always a good clue as to why a ckt. was dead.

#24366 - 04/10/03 07:08 PM Re: re: GFCI receps
russ m Offline

Registered: 02/22/03
Posts: 165
Loc: Burbank,IL,USA
The reason they are costing more is to recover the cost of research and development. It took them a long time to come up with a GFCI that could not be used when it failed. The old style allowed you to use the receptacle as if it was never a GFCI after it faied.


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#24367 - 04/10/03 07:46 PM Re: re: GFCI receps
frenchelectrican Offline


Registered: 02/06/03
Posts: 938
Loc: Wi/ Paris France { France for ...
that true russ: but one catch that i see alot of d.i.y.'s do is mismatch the wiring i have that call quite a few time it sometime they do mess it up good and took me a while to clear it up . that why the U.L. came up a better one i did check most manufactures and almost all came about the same answer with gfci ( updated verson) but hard to tell which one is old verson and new unless you look at the date on back of gfci that kinda annoy me alot

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Pas de problme,il marche n'est-ce pas?"(No problem, it works doesn't it?)

#24368 - 04/11/03 06:05 AM Re: re: GFCI receps
Doug Scott Offline

Registered: 02/05/03
Posts: 24
Loc: Jonesville, Michigan, USA
Thanks for all the replys
Bill your insert was very helpful
Thanks Doug


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