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#22851 - 03/05/03 12:54 PM sudsy question
ikauffma Offline
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This is probably a silly question. I am adding an outlet to a circuit in my garage. I'm putting up 1/2" plastic conduit and it will have some 45 degree bends in it to get around a drain pipe. I'm using one #12/2 NM for the new run. Is it o.k. to use just a drop of liquid soap, like Dial or something, to help get that wire through the pipe? I wasn't sure if it would harm anything or go against any code.

Thanks!

Ian
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#22852 - 03/05/03 12:56 PM Re: sudsy question
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There is a lubricant specifically made for this purpose. I believe it's water-based so it won't damage the insulation...

I've read not to use soap or vaseline or any such make-shift pulling lubes...because they may react with the wire's insulation and slowly decay it.
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#22853 - 03/05/03 01:10 PM Re: sudsy question
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not to mention soap will set up like concrete inside that conduit so if you ever have a problem or want to change something you are SOL!
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#22854 - 03/05/03 01:42 PM Re: sudsy question
ikauffma Offline
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SvenNYC and jlhmaint;

Thanks for the info! It's only a five foot length of pipe, but I wanted to make sure I didn't cause any problems by using soap. Thanks again!

Ian
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#22855 - 03/06/03 03:28 AM Re: sudsy question
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It's not worth it to go out and buy a tube of wire pulling lube, just to sleeve a piece of NM 5 feet. Just strip most of it and it should go right through. Maybe if you know a sparky, he will give you some.
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#22856 - 03/06/03 04:11 AM Re: sudsy question
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The UL Directory includes the following information on the type of material that should be used in order to show compliance with the requirements of the NEC.

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Listed Wire-pulling Compounds

USE

This category covers wire-pulling compounds intended for use as lubricants in installing electrical conductors in raceways. These compounds have been investigated to determine their compatibility with conductor insulation and coverings.
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#22857 - 03/06/03 05:53 AM Re: sudsy question
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Before factory made lubs, the accepted method was Lux Flakes or Ivory Flakes. No damage was ever reported and the residue after drying was powdery. I used them many times working with my Dad and Brothers.
Rowdy
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