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#210260 - 06/06/13 05:39 PM PVC under roadway
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Hi,
Is there a NEC requirement or other code that requires schedule 80 PVC if ran under a roadway?

Please quote article if you don't mind.

I have a duct bank with schedule 40 and 3" of concrete..seems to me it should be schedule 80.

thanks

GW
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#210264 - 06/06/13 07:30 PM Re: PVC under roadway [Re: akmaster]
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Not that I could cite.
When I was working on the MM99 toll booth on I-75 I did spend some time with the engineers and they say the spec's the duct banks should be 5-6 feet below the sub bed of the road. Florida DOT says there is quite a pounding going on under a road when you have big trucks and lots of traffic.

Most of the actual protection is the concrete itself and the pipe is just a place holder until the concrete cures.
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#210266 - 06/06/13 07:48 PM Re: PVC under roadway [Re: akmaster]
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A real, real stretch would be 'subject to physical damage'.

I would say that the PE that did the design has the option of spec'ing Sch 80, but I could not cite Sch 40 for a duct bank with any NEC Article.
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#210274 - 06/07/13 08:38 AM Re: PVC under roadway [Re: akmaster]
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Hi,
Thanks Greg and Hotline...our specs call for "schedule 40 HEAVY WALL" there is a diff between reg sch 40 and sch 40 heavy wall am I correct? I contacted cantex and they said they would send me the specs and that the wall thickness is different.

Thanks

again for your excellent knowledge.

Greg


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#210281 - 06/07/13 12:12 PM Re: PVC under roadway [Re: akmaster]
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There is sch 40 and sch 80. I am not sure what "heavy wall" means.
It sounds like the guy doing the spec is clueless.
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#210283 - 06/07/13 01:23 PM Re: PVC under roadway [Re: akmaster]
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Greg,
Yes he is clueless and has me running around like a blind dog in a meat house looking this crap up!

Sch 40 and Sch 80 is all there is besides UTILITY grade PVC that is THINNER than sch 40 and 80!!

I told them install it and have 3" coverage of concrete all around and dye the concrete red and use metal warning tape within 12" of finished grade...

thanks Greg

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#210284 - 06/07/13 02:22 PM Re: PVC under roadway [Re: akmaster]
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Over on the plumbing side there is sch200 (thinwall PVC), typically used for DWV or sometimes irrigation but I do not know of any equivalent in electric world.
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#210298 - 06/08/13 04:14 PM Re: PVC under roadway [Re: akmaster]
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Greg,

AT a large senior citizens complex around here, the EE stated that all underground MV wiring had to be in sch 20. Then it had red concrete poured all around it. I can't remember the thickness, I think it was 1' of concrete. I had a second EE sign off on the MV wiring.

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#210301 - 06/08/13 11:25 PM Re: PVC under roadway [Re: akmaster]
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Sch 20?
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#210307 - 06/09/13 09:08 AM Re: PVC under roadway [Re: akmaster]
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Yeah, it was real thin stuff, but it was encased a lot of concrete so the EE didn't care. I questioned the EE but it was his design. This goes back almost 15 years ago, but I am pretty sure it was sch 20.

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