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#207627 - 11/12/12 02:51 PM suspended ceiling
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I am back on line,and I already have a question. Any restrictions about putting a receptacle above a suspended ceiling? Is it allowed or not?

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#207628 - 11/12/12 03:27 PM Re: suspended ceiling [Re: harold endean]
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No problem putting in a receptacle above the dropped ceiling. These receptacles can be used for servicing equipment located above the ceiling. You cannot, however, plug in a flexible cord for a piece of equipment that is located above the ceiling and leave it plugged in. A wireless router would be an example.
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#207674 - 11/19/12 06:10 AM Re: suspended ceiling [Re: harold endean]
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So a receptacle is OK just don't leave anything plugged into it.

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#207677 - 11/19/12 12:20 PM Re: suspended ceiling [Re: harold endean]
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Pretty much...I always have problems with the HVAC folks who want to put a plug-in condensate pump above the ceiling tiles and whine that it should be okay because "it's just a tiny little load". I usually tell them that the only guarantee that comes with that statement is that it will "only start a tiny little fire".
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#207679 - 11/19/12 04:46 PM Re: suspended ceiling [Re: harold endean]
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How do you let them put that pump up there?
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#207680 - 11/19/12 05:03 PM Re: suspended ceiling [Re: harold endean]
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Fire load, smoke load .... Humbug!

IMO, the HVAC condensate pump is a perfect example of where the NEC is simply wrong. Call it extremist, draconian, or misguided.

I disagree with the entire assumption that there can NEVER be a legitimate use of a cord above a suspended ceiling.

Oh, just hard-wire. Yea, right ... even if it were possible to replace the cordset with an MC whip, there'd be howls about 'voiding the listing.'

The HVAC needs a condensate pump. The HVAC is above the ceiling. Is this a back-door attempt to move ban the HVAC from the ceiling void?

An aside ...

Now that Ideal has a funky screwdriver for use on those multi-head screws we see so often, I fully expect some code genius to insist that you can ONLY use the funky driver on the funky heads.

That's where you wind up when you micro-manage.

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#207689 - 11/19/12 10:03 PM Re: suspended ceiling [Re: harold endean]
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I've seen a couple places where the FAU/condensate pump was placed above the electrical room which was hard lid (and the only thing hard lid), thus not above the suspended ceiling.

I know the receptacle itself is not a code violation in itself, but I've always been reluctant to install one above T-bar mostly because I know SOMEONE (alarm guy, HVAC, tenant, etc..) will end up using it for things not allowed.

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#207695 - 11/20/12 12:23 PM Re: suspended ceiling [Re: renosteinke]
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Those small condensate pumps are readily available with a whip, but many of the HVAC guys are reluctant to use the right ones the first time around.
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#207699 - 11/20/12 04:29 PM Re: suspended ceiling [Re: harold endean]
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If you can get them with the MC whip, case closed. I just had never seen one.
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#207708 - 11/20/12 08:57 PM Re: suspended ceiling [Re: harold endean]
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That may be a Chicago thing, I have not seen any up here either. I'll ask around next week.

I remember someone saying that there are AHs with a factory single recept installed for a condensate pump; that would solve the problem IMHO.
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