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#201118 - 05/12/11 05:19 PM GFCI Pool Equipment
George Little Offline
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Can I use a panel with a GFCI main as GFCI protection for the requirements found in 680 covering the pump motors, underwater lights, pool cover and the lights and receptacles around the pool area?
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#201120 - 05/12/11 10:07 PM Re: GFCI Pool Equipment [Re: George Little]
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It might end up being a horrible design choice but I can't think of a reason why it is not code compliant.

As a friend I would point out finding a random nuisance tripping problem would be a nightmare.
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#201124 - 05/13/11 08:05 PM Re: GFCI Pool Equipment [Re: George Little]
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George:
You did not mention if the 'GFI Main' is 'Class A'. That's the only possibility I can muster at the moment.

As Greg alluded...I sure would not look forward to a troubleshoot job with that arrangement.

Are you heading in any direction with this?

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#201126 - 05/13/11 11:55 PM Re: GFCI Pool Equipment [Re: George Little]
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I assumed they were going to use the typical "spa" type 50-60A GFCI and sub off of that to avoid buying several 1 & 2 pole GFCIs for pumps, cover, lights etc. (maybe I am off base)

If everything was 120v I doubt it makes any sense at all since those GFCIs are cheap ... unless that was just what he had on the truck. wink
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#201132 - 05/14/11 01:50 PM Re: GFCI Pool Equipment [Re: George Little]
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Okay, you guys know my MO, I was involved with a situation where the contractor wanted to use a Class A GFCI Main in a panel as permitted in 215.19. But when you read into the references it refers to 210.8 and 590.6(A). When you have equipment in 680 requiring GFCI protection such as the lighting, the pumps, the cover the receptacles, the cost effective way could be to install a single Main. The problem becomes that in 680.23(A)(3) it specifically says that the GFCI protection must be in the branch circuit feeding the luminaires. Putting it in the feeder is a violation. This has been confirmed by a member of code panel 17. Yah, I was trying to trick you guys again.
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#201160 - 05/16/11 12:03 PM Re: GFCI Pool Equipment [Re: George Little]
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George:
Keep up the good work!!!!
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#201169 - 05/16/11 04:13 PM Re: GFCI Pool Equipment [Re: George Little]
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He got me wink
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