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#194787 - 06/22/10 02:58 PM GFCI Protected Motor, necessary?
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I was hoping to get some help here, I recently replaced a gfci that was powering a small pump in a tea brewing facility due to the fact that it was always tripping. I assume this problem may be due to the humidity. Someone happened to call OSHA and now they are asking me for a code reference justifying my action. This pump is not with in 6' of water but is near a few tea kettles. Am I in the wrong here, or does it need to be gfci protected?
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#194789 - 06/22/10 03:17 PM Re: GFCI Protected Motor, necessary? [Re: bot540]
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Is it in the kitchen?
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#194790 - 06/22/10 03:29 PM Re: GFCI Protected Motor, necessary? [Re: gfretwell]
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See, I don't know if it applies. I just read 210.8(B)(2). It is a production room where they brew tea and then bottle it. Technically I would say it is a kitchen. Is there an exception to this being a dedicated piece of equipment?
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#194792 - 06/22/10 05:10 PM Re: GFCI Protected Motor, necessary? [Re: bot540]
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With a comm kitchen, there are no exceptions for 'dedicated' equipment that is cord & plug connected, 120 volt, etc.

I have to ask, did anyone bother to check the item (pump) that was causing the "trip" on GF? Todays generation of GFI devices usually prevent false tripping.
My experience over many years in comm kitchens, etc. was usually a problem with a plugged in item, and occasionally a 'bad' GF device.
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#194793 - 06/22/10 05:27 PM Re: GFCI Protected Motor, necessary? [Re: HotLine1]
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Didn't really check the gfi, it was newer and I'm pretty sure they reported the same problem after plugging it into another gfi. The pump is older, maybe something is wrong with it.
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#194794 - 06/22/10 05:31 PM Re: GFCI Protected Motor, necessary? [Re: HotLine1]
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There does seem to be an interesting interpretation question here. Is the pump in a production area where they brew large quantities, bottle it, ship it out etc. or is it in something like a test kitchen or break area? If the first description is the more accurate, the code doesn't require personnel protection. But determining what a "kitchen" is can be tricky. Is there a set of plans that says its a kitchen? Then its a kitchen. Either way, frankly, if it had GFCI protection previously, it still should.

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#194796 - 06/22/10 06:48 PM Re: GFCI Protected Motor, necessary? [Re: Gregtaylor]
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Based on your above response, I'd be willing to put a Benjamin on the pump motor has an issue. BTW, who asked you for a code reference, the client or the OSHA guys??
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#194797 - 06/22/10 06:53 PM Re: GFCI Protected Motor, necessary? [Re: HotLine1]
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The pump problem may be as simple as it is wet inside. Sometime you can fix that by just setting it on the dash of your truck for the day (in the sun).
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#194810 - 06/23/10 06:45 AM Re: GFCI Protected Motor, necessary? [Re: gfretwell]
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I have seen where OSHA has wanted GFI protection for coffee pots that plug into in a restaurant even though the pot was not in the kitchen. The pots where by the dining area and there was no water around them at all.

P.S. I don't think you want to mess with OSHA they have some pretty hefty fines.

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#194828 - 06/24/10 07:54 AM Re: GFCI Protected Motor, necessary? [Re: harold endean]
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The GFI requirements usually pop up where there is water (or potential spillage) present. That's one reason why they are required for kitchen island countertops in dwelling units even if there is no sink in the island (210.8 A 6).
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