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#190457 - 11/18/09 08:55 PM DIYers' Ladder
Webmaster Offline


Registered: 10/07/00
Posts: 3142
Loc: NY, USA
...interesting photo of a DIY leaving his aluminum ladder up at a vacation home. Could have been there for weeks. A short and possible fire was 3/32” away (wire insulation)

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#190458 - 11/18/09 09:20 PM Re: DIYers' Ladder [Re: Webmaster]
JoeKP Offline

Registered: 03/29/08
Posts: 144
Loc: Berkley, MA
looks to me like the DIYer was adding onto the service drop... look at all the tape on the wire!
“then we'll glue em' then screw em'”
-Tom Silva

#190466 - 11/19/09 07:30 AM Re: DIYers' Ladder [Re: JoeKP]
renosteinke Offline
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Registered: 01/22/05
Posts: 5305
Loc: Blue Collar Country
I agree, there is more than a little goofy about that drop. I'd start thinking 'power theft.'

#190481 - 11/19/09 09:12 PM Re: DIYers' Ladder [Re: renosteinke]
frenchelectrican Offline


Registered: 02/06/03
Posts: 938
Loc: Wi/ Paris France { France for ...
Unless this place have main meter disconnect at the pole location that will be not a issue but ampcapity now that diffrent story due some peoples abuse the tap rules.

Pas de problme,il marche n'est-ce pas?"(No problem, it works doesn't it?)

#190483 - 11/20/09 07:45 AM Re: DIYers' Ladder [Re: frenchelectrican]
ghost307 Offline

Registered: 05/09/05
Posts: 881
Loc: Chicago Illinois USA
I think that it's theft of power.

The original drop down the side of the house goes to a meter, so the new connection is ahead of the meter. power (until the first time that the meter reader looks up, then whammo).

Plus this guy doesn't know how dangerous this is, not to mention using an Aluminum ladder to do it; and then leaving it up there for the wind to grab a hold of.

#190486 - 11/20/09 10:09 AM Re: DIYers' Ladder [Re: ghost307]
gfretwell Offline


Registered: 07/20/04
Posts: 9023
Loc: Estero,Fl,usa
That may have just been where the ladder was left after he was shocked and fell off.
I wouldn't be in a big hurry to grab it and try to move it.
Maybe with a rope.
Greg Fretwell

#190488 - 11/20/09 11:14 AM Re: DIYers' Ladder [Re: gfretwell]
Trumpy Offline


Registered: 07/05/02
Posts: 8532
Loc: SI,New Zealand
Could be my eye-sight, but it looks like there is RTV-filled PVC conduit on them line conductors.
I also note there is no neutral connection (that I can see), for the "new connection".
It definitely screams DIY! mad
Let's face it, these days if you're not young, you're old - Red Green grin

#190489 - 11/20/09 12:56 PM Re: DIYers' Ladder [Re: Trumpy]
gfretwell Offline


Registered: 07/20/04
Posts: 9023
Loc: Estero,Fl,usa
It really looks like they converted the downstairs to a separate unit and this is the service tap. There is a meter at the bottom of that raceway that starts around 3 rungs down from the top (you can see the svc head). If you look behind the 6th rung up from the bottom you see the metering equipment.
The neutral loops in from the bottom.
You really need to blow the picture up to see all of this.

That still doesn't answer the question of what the guy was doing up there.
Greg Fretwell

#190982 - 12/13/09 09:18 PM Re: DIYers' Ladder [Re: gfretwell]
ole_electric Offline
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Registered: 09/22/07
Posts: 3
Loc: Metrowest Boston
Yes, a legal install. You can't see that there are two services on this duplex dwelling. The left SER cable is hidden by the wall corner. If you look hard you can see the right. What actually happened was the handy homeowner dude in the left unit was doing some siding repair and left the ladder up for the wind to take it and went home for the week! I was called to remove it! A little more chafing and who knows what would happen?

#190997 - 12/14/09 06:42 PM Re: DIYers' Ladder [Re: ole_electric]
leland Offline

Registered: 08/20/07
Posts: 856
Loc: Lowell area, Ma. USA
You did wear gloves,I hope!! blush

By the way, Welcome to the forums Neighbor! smile

Edited by leland (12/14/09 06:43 PM)
Edit Reason: Welcome


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