ECN Electrical Forum - Discussion Forums for Electricians, Inspectors and Related Professionals

Page 1 of 3 1 2 3 >
Topic Options
Rate This Topic
#188121 - 07/22/09 10:46 AM Outlet install video screenshot
JoeKP Offline
Member
Registered: 03/29/08
Posts: 144
Loc: Berkley, MA


I saw this in a video of how to install an electrical outlet, and thought you guys would like a good laugh out of it.

_________________________
-Joe
“then we'll glue em' then screw em'”
-Tom Silva
TOH
Top
Tools for Electricians:
#188126 - 07/22/09 12:25 PM Re: Outlet install video screenshot [Re: JoeKP]
IanR Offline
Member
Registered: 12/06/04
Posts: 328
Loc: Palm Bay FL USA
Sloppy wiring and the receptacle is upside down.

Ducks for cover!
Top
#188128 - 07/22/09 01:28 PM Re: Outlet install video screenshot [Re: IanR]
gfretwell Offline


Member
Registered: 07/20/04
Posts: 9039
Loc: Estero,Fl,usa
That may be a clunky way to do things, looping through the screw but I am not sure what the violation would be.

Shoving 7 #12s back in the box will be a chore tho.

... and I bet that box is too small
_________________________
Greg Fretwell
Top
#188137 - 07/22/09 06:18 PM Re: Outlet install video screenshot [Re: gfretwell]
n1ist Offline
Member
Registered: 02/13/02
Posts: 183
Loc: Malden MA
The ground is looped the wrong way around the screw...
Top
#188145 - 07/22/09 09:58 PM Re: Outlet install video screenshot [Re: n1ist]
JoeKP Offline
Member
Registered: 03/29/08
Posts: 144
Loc: Berkley, MA
Originally Posted By n1ist
The ground is looped the wrong way around the screw...


and the wire is too long
_________________________
-Joe
“then we'll glue em' then screw em'”
-Tom Silva
TOH
Top
#188147 - 07/23/09 01:01 AM Re: Outlet install video screenshot [Re: JoeKP]
TOOL_5150 Offline
Member
Registered: 08/01/07
Posts: 61
Loc: Bay Area
As far as the looped neutral - I cant really see a code violation. It is still 1 wire on the screw. It is not a practice I use much at all though.

~Matt
_________________________
I would rather beg for forgiveness then beg for permission.
Top
#188154 - 07/23/09 11:05 AM Re: Outlet install video screenshot [Re: TOOL_5150]
gfretwell Offline


Member
Registered: 07/20/04
Posts: 9039
Loc: Estero,Fl,usa
I have seen that "loop" thing a lot in raceway wiring methods. The wire gets pulled, unbroken all the way through. The argument was that there are that many less connections to fail. As an aside, Removing the device would not "interrupt the continuity" of the circuit ref 300.13(B).
In this case I am guessing that was a way to tap that circuit without wirenutting all the wires and bringing a pigtail out to the device. They must have looped the RX through the box. Sloppy but not illegal.
Usually you just see this looping in switch feeds.
_________________________
Greg Fretwell
Top
#188160 - 07/23/09 12:36 PM Re: Outlet install video screenshot [Re: gfretwell]
brianl703 Offline
Member
Registered: 05/16/05
Posts: 166
Loc: Manassas, VA
I think looping was more common in older construction. Those devices didn't have the back-stab connections, so, if you wanted to avoid using a wire nut (because you had 3 hots and 3 neutrals to connect to the device) you had to loop the connection. I always thought that was a neat way to do it.


Now, what they do instead is to to use the back-stab and the screw. I've seen outlets where there was a wire under every screw and in every back-stab. That's pretty sloppy, I think.

Top
#188179 - 07/23/09 09:28 PM Re: Outlet install video screenshot [Re: TOOL_5150]
JoeKP Offline
Member
Registered: 03/29/08
Posts: 144
Loc: Berkley, MA
Originally Posted By TOOL_5150
As far as the looped neutral - I cant really see a code violation. It is still 1 wire on the screw. It is not a practice I use much at all though.

~Matt


its not looped, it is 2 wires unbent just holding onto the edge
_________________________
-Joe
“then we'll glue em' then screw em'”
-Tom Silva
TOH
Top
#188180 - 07/23/09 10:45 PM Re: Outlet install video screenshot [Re: JoeKP]
gfretwell Offline


Member
Registered: 07/20/04
Posts: 9039
Loc: Estero,Fl,usa
OK I blew it up and looked, you are right. I didn't catch that.
_________________________
Greg Fretwell
Top
Page 1 of 3 1 2 3 >

Member Spotlight
Member Since: 11/17/00
Posts: 2232
New in the Gallery:
SE cable question
Featured:

2017 NEC and Related
2017 NEC
Now Available!

Shout Box


Who's Online
1 registered (ghost307), 67 Guests and 11 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
 
New in the Gallery:
SE cable question
 
Top Posters (30 Days)
Admin 49
HotLine1 43
gfretwell 18
Ruben Rocha 12
Trumpy 9
 
Newest Members
Freecrowder, clee512, Jdscott2005, FAIZAN, Regitest2

ECN Electrical Forums - sponsored by Electrical Contractor Network - Electrical and Code Related Discussion for Electrical Contractors, Electricians, Inspectors, Instructors, Engineers and other related Professionals