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#18491 - 12/10/02 08:49 AM @#$!llbuster?
Redsy Offline
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OK, you inspectors...

I had to install a kitchen countertop receptacle horizontally to fit (squeeze)between the backsplash and a window-type (no galss)opening into an add-on dining room.
The casing around the opening was wider than anticipated so the homeowner trimmed about 1/4" or less from the plate.
It was a block wall punched out to accept metal boxes with side brackets nailed to furring strips. The bracket is either behind the backsplash or the casind, I don't remember.
The inspector failed the final because the trimming of the plate violates it's UL listing. He wants the receptacle lowered, which when considering the rough installation is not going to be easy.
Any thoughts?
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#18492 - 12/10/02 11:07 AM Re: @#$!llbuster?
sparky Offline
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Redsy,
i'm no help, only adding a Q.....


Q~ in an instance were it a 'UL' violation is suspect does the AHJ cite via a UL # ??
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#18493 - 12/10/02 12:10 PM Re: @#$!llbuster?
WNYJim Offline
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Registered: 06/06/02
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Can you elongate the mounting slots in the receptacle by ¼”? That should give you enough to get the plate on. You might find that a designer style receptacle would have a little more “meat” in the area you need to elongate.
Don’t try banging a metal switch box to relocate it. You’ll pop the thing apart and have a bigger mess!
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#18494 - 12/10/02 01:51 PM Re: @#$!llbuster?
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What a jerk. This "violating the listing" has gone too far.
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#18495 - 12/10/02 02:45 PM Re: @#$!llbuster?
Tom Offline
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Have the homeowner install a piece of casing that has been trimmed enough to allow the installation of a standard cover.

After the inspection, replace the casing and receptacle cover.

You didn't get this idea from me.

BTW, would a metal handy box cover fill the bill?

Or, since dry location receptacle covers are not required to be listed (as far as I know), trim an unlisted cover. Of course, this will probably really get the inspector mad.

[This message has been edited by Tom (edited 12-10-2002).]
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#18496 - 12/10/02 04:26 PM Re: @#$!llbuster?
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Redsy:
If I was the AHJ, under the circumstances, and if there were no "gaps" visable, and the box sides were not visable, it would be accepted.
As another post stated, as a last resort...replace the plate with a "full" one, cut out a piece of the casing, and after the inspection, put it back the way it is now.
BTW, I didn't suggest that....legal stuff ya know.
John
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#18497 - 12/10/02 04:30 PM Re: @#$!llbuster?
spyder Offline
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Registered: 10/14/02
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Loc: Massachusetts
I have never heard of a failed inspection due to a plate that was grinded or trimmed slightly. I don't think anyone ever was injured because a plate was trimmed, its not like its a question of safety.
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#18498 - 12/11/02 04:22 AM Re: @#$!llbuster?
Redsy Offline
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Registered: 03/28/01
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Loc: Bucks County PA
Thanks everybody.
I still have to get back into the customers to get a good look. It's been a few months since I've been there. The homeowner has insisted on handling all the "administrative" aspects of her renovation and I thought the inspection was done, and accepted long ago.
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#18499 - 12/11/02 06:16 PM Re: @#$!llbuster?
harold endean Offline
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Registered: 02/16/02
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Loc: Boonton, NJ
Redsy,

I agree with Hotline1, I don't see a real problem with the installation, as long as there is not shock or fire hazard. Trimming a plate 1/4" on each side might not hurt anything.

Harold
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#18500 - 12/11/02 06:18 PM Re: @#$!llbuster?
harold endean Offline
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Redsy,

P.S. Not all AHJ's are A**holes Having Jurisdiction. Just some of them are. Once they become an AHJ sometimes the power goes to their head. They feel that 90-4 means that they can make up their own rules.

Harold
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