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#180234 - 08/19/08 04:51 AM Junction box behind a domestic range hood?
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If, when replacing a domestic range hood (typical standard non vented hood), the wiring had to be extended and a junction box installed, would behind the hood in the wall be accessible enough? The hood would have to be removed to access the juction box.

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#180238 - 08/19/08 08:50 AM Re: Junction box behind a domestic range hood? [Re: cgw]
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Some would say no to your question and it is on the fine line by definition.

Accessible (as applied to wiring methods). Capable of being removed or exposed without damaging the building structure or finish or not permanently closed in by the structure or finish of the building.

Being that the fan is structually attached and "blocking" the box would be the argument. However by simplify the situation, what is the difference bewteen the fan and an access panel that is held on by screws?

If I were the inpector, I would say if would be allowed only if there was no practial way of refeeding the power to the fan.
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#180242 - 08/19/08 12:47 PM Re: Junction box behind a domestic range hood? [Re: sparkyinak]
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I agree on this one. It's one thing to remove a blank plate or move a picture, etc. and yet another to have to dismantle a hood from the cabinet. There comes a point where it is truly a buried splice and in this case, I think it is a violation.

As professionals, we know that this kind of thing might be required and we can do it correctly, but bear in mind that much of the code is written with the anticipated actions of Harry Homeowner in mind. They can't allow it for pros and not allow it for old Harry.
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#180243 - 08/19/08 02:07 PM Re: Junction box behind a domestic range hood? [Re: EV607797]
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I agree with sparkyinak on this one. The old "Been there done that" kicks in. What's the hazard? Anyone who has a reason to trouble shoot the problem with the hood would soon discover the j-box and rectify the problem if it were a splice in the j-box.

Is this the hill you want to die on?

Where do you want me to mail the green sticker? ;\)
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#180252 - 08/19/08 04:52 PM Re: Junction box behind a domestic range hood? [Re: George Little]
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I've seen ceiling lighting fixtures that took more screws to remove to get to the junction box than a typical range hood has.

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#180253 - 08/19/08 05:25 PM Re: Junction box behind a domestic range hood? [Re: kale]
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As I see it ... how can you tell that there is a junction box behind the hood?

I can see myself looking into the wiring compartment, seeing a 'dead end' ....then spending hours looking for a hidden junction box.

It's bad enough if the box was used just to extend a pigtail - but if the wires also go off to other places, I see a real nightmare brewing.

IF I had to address such a situation, I'd probably try to follow the wire back, to a point where a box might be a little more 'find-able.' Say, by adding a receptacle inside that upper cabinet, or a 'clock receptacle' near the ceiling.

The topic is a bit dear to me at the moment .... recently I spent DAYS running down the faults in an older trailer. Who would have thought there was a receptacle behind the built-in GAS oven? (Yup, the oven - there once was a timer and a clock as well as a light - was the culprit).

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#180335 - 08/22/08 06:18 AM Re: Junction box behind a domestic range hood? [Re: renosteinke]
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An excellent question this.

I was recently hired ot perform trim-out on a job that had been abandoned by a flakey EC (yes, I know all the pitfalls) and encountered this exact situation - the guy had ignored the detail on the plans and set the hood outlet directly behind where the hood was going. I considered all options, then finally decide to replace the entire wire run to avoid leaving a junction behind the hood. This required cutting out drywall for the 15' to the last accessible junction point.

On the other hand, I've seen a spa-type tub installed with the outlet and motor inaccesible without removing the entire tub, and to amazement, it passed. I guess it all comes down the inspector and his/her intrupretation of teh rules.

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#180338 - 08/22/08 07:33 AM Re: Junction box behind a domestic range hood? [Re: Zapped]
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 Originally Posted By: Zapped
I guess it all comes down the inspector and his/her intrupretation of teh rules.


That is exactly what it is. Some enforce the word of the code while others enforce their interpretation. Still others enforce the intent. Sometimes all three types end with the same results and sometimes others turn into debates on this message board \:\)
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