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#178251 - 05/26/08 10:28 PM Russian Metering/ Screwdriver Fuse  
Lostazhell  Offline
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These are pics I found on a site related to a post made by "Juddsairco" regarding some architectural oddities in other countries...

Needless to say I don't speak Russian (maybe someone here does and can do better than babelfish on the translations.. But the pics mostly speak for themselves..

original site via babelfish


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#178254 - 05/26/08 11:44 PM Re: Russian Metering/ Screwdriver Fuse [Re: Lostazhell]  
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I hate it when that happens! You just stick the screwdriver in for a second to see if it's a real short or if all those fuses were just bad - and bam - the screwdriver sticks. It could happen to anyone.


#178255 - 05/26/08 11:46 PM Re: Russian Metering/ Screwdriver Fuse [Re: Lostazhell]  
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A few more photo's from the same site found here

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#178267 - 05/27/08 05:54 AM Re: Russian Metering/ Screwdriver Fuse [Re: Lostazhell]  
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I think the last picture ("nasty metering") is either a before of the screwdriver fuse or the repair, at least it shows the same arrangement in considerably better shape.

Would be interesting to know where the power comes from - no meter and the meter tails just dangle in mid air. Well, at a closer look... maybe it has been bypassed. The wires are most likely L-L-N-N left to right.

Love the removed meter on the left too...


#178275 - 05/27/08 09:30 AM Re: Russian Metering/ Screwdriver Fuse [Re: Texas_Ranger]  
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At least we can award marks for consistency. The telephone wiring is equally as "good" as the power wiring!


#178316 - 05/28/08 01:26 AM Re: Russian Metering/ Screwdriver Fuse [Re: pauluk]  
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I'm curious. I wonder if there a burnt outline of the person who thought it was a good idea to stick the screw driver in the socket located on the wall oppisite of the panel


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#178338 - 05/28/08 03:57 PM Re: Russian Metering/ Screwdriver Fuse [Re: sparkyinak]  
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Great photo's,

These are DIII type bottle fuses 35, 50 or 63 Ampères on the burn out part.
Could have been the mains fuse bypassed, although it may have also space for a kWh meter as well.

By carefully looking at the meter readings of the kWh meter, the first reading is 12419 kWh, the second reading 12420 kWh. That looks a different circuit than the one shorted out by the srewdriver.
Russian meters are wired up the same as most European meters.
Phase, Phase, Neutral, Neutral.

The panel on the left with no meter has been completely bypassed. (where a meter used to be).

Pretty shonky wiring on these other pictures.
The rotary switch may even be a 3 phase arrangement.


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#178372 - 05/29/08 06:39 AM Re: Russian Metering/ Screwdriver Fuse [Re: RODALCO]  
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No way - these are DII (0.5-25amps). I think these two fuses are either the only two circuits for the entire place (maybe 6, 10 or 16 amps) or (looking at some of the other pictures) hot and neutral fuse for the only circuit.

So the last picture is actually the repaired version... nice!

The far left arrangement clearly took the load side conductors directly to the meter line side conductors, bypassing meter and fuses... regarding the burnt panel I'm not sure what happened - either they disconnected the service and taped the wires or they (shoddily) bypassed the meter.

At any rate the key ring (epreventing overfusing) was missing, otherwise the screwdriver trick couldn't have worked at all.

The rotary switch sure is 3 phase... look how the breakers are split over the three wires. 3 3ph breaker hidden by a floating single phase breaker is nice too...


#178430 - 05/30/08 04:44 PM Re: Russian Metering/ Screwdriver Fuse [Re: Texas_Ranger]  
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Russian pole - upside down:
http://dwg.ru/bsk/974

Russian wiring:
http://dwg.ru/bsk/919
http://dwg.ru/bsk/48

Russian broadband internet connection wires:
http://dwg.ru/bsk/400





#178465 - 05/31/08 05:48 PM Re: Russian Metering/ Screwdriver Fuse [Re: jdubowski]  
RODALCO  Offline
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I can't read Cyrillic from the last links of the Russian forum.
It might pay to copy and paste the photo's to this forum, jdubowski

BTW Welcome to ECN ! smile


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