#175877  03/13/08 03:19 PM
Total power usage?

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I am hoping someone can help me out with this. I am having a bit of a brain fart. Assuming 208v 3p 5w: A phase = 2568w B phase = 2568w C phase = 2054w PF @ Unity What is the total power usage and how? Please help.

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#175881  03/13/08 04:10 PM
Re: Total power usage?
[Re: smellelectric]

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I know it sounds stupid: power is cumulative i.e. p1+p2+p3=pT but this circuit isn't really drawing 7190w is it?

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#175888  03/13/08 06:32 PM
Re: Total power usage?
[Re: renosteinke]

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If watts equal volts x amps, what is the voltage of just one phase?

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#175905  03/14/08 07:34 AM
Re: Total power usage?
[Re: renosteinke]

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Reno,
I may disagree with your analysis.
The original question is not clear; just what does one mean by 'A phase = 2568w'?
If this means that there is a 2568w load from supply leg A to supply leg B, and similarly the B wattage is B to C, and C wattage is C to A, then I'm pretty sure that your analysis is correct.
But if the _total_ load connected to leg A is 2568w, including A to B loads, A to C loads, and A to N loads, then your analysis is not correct, and in fact I don't believe we know enough to answer the question.
Finally, if we are talking all line to neutral loads, with nothing connected leg to leg, then the total power is simply the sum of the power on the three legs.
I completely agree with your basic points: for any 'line to line' loads, you get a certain amount of 'double counting' going on.
Jon

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#175916  03/14/08 06:02 PM
Re: Total power usage?
[Re: winnie]

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Does this help? http://www.yokogawa.com/tm/tr/tmtr0605_02.htmIt looks to me like there are two methods: a) Three watt meter method, where the voltage reference is from phase to neutral  the three meter readings are added. b) Two watt meter method, where the voltage reference is phase to phase  the two meter readings are added

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#175944  03/15/08 12:07 PM
Re: Total power usage?
[Re: twh]

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Unfortunately I am getting my information third hand at best, so I am unsure of how the loads were determined. I ended up just adding them and divding by 1.73 and it seems to have been close enough for the person who had originally asked me. Thanks for all the help.

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#175977  03/16/08 04:21 PM
Re: Total power usage?
[Re: smellelectric]

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When I added things up, it appeared that the compiled values were Apparent Power across a 3 Phase 3 Wire Circuit  as the total sum is 7190 VA.
Seeing that ØA and ØB draw 2568 Watts, and ØC draws 2054 Watts makes the Load look Reactive. Could be the True Power (1.0 PF) is 2500 Watts across Lines A & B, but this would mean the Line C load would be LN.
If the Balanced Load is 1666.667 Watts per Line, then that portion would be 1.0 PF (all True Power), and the remainder would be something else.
Using the values given by the O.P., here are some figures:
*A Total Apparent Power for the Load: 7,190 VA (VoltAmps)
*B Power Factor = 0.695 (69.5%)
*C Total VARs (VoltAmps Reactive) for this Load: 5,160 VARs
This is figuring the Total True Power (Watts) at 5,000 Watts.
Scott
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