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#173368 - 01/08/08 01:55 PM Recessed Lights - Old Work vs New Work
NJ_Mountaineer Offline
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Looking for some opinions,
I've only ever installed "new work" style recessed lighting housing - even in remodel work. Just modified as necessary to fit

I recently installed a few small wall washers that were "old work" style recently and found they worked pretty well. I was always afraid the lip would never sit tight and flush with the ceiling - but not the case here.

Are the 5" and 6" "old work" as good as the small ones? Specifically Halo IC incandescent housings.




BTW - this is not my first post. Used to post as NJ_WVU Grad

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#173369 - 01/08/08 02:09 PM Re: Recessed Lights - Old Work vs New Work [Re: NJ_Mountaineer]
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If you don't get sloppy cutting the hole they work great.
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#173375 - 01/08/08 03:41 PM Re: Recessed Lights - Old Work vs New Work [Re: Gregtaylor]
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I've never had a problem with the old-work cans. I will second the advice on cutting the holes PRECISELY. I use a large carbide grit hoiesaw sold specifically for cutting these holes. Makes a nice clean, tight fitting hole, which is the key to getting the cans to suck up tight to the ceiling.
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#173393 - 01/08/08 06:58 PM Re: Recessed Lights - Old Work vs New Work [Re: NJwirenut]
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For plaster and lathe, I use the carbide grit hole saw, with a masonary bit in the arbor, first, for the plaster and switch to a carbide tipped hole saw for the lathe. For drywall I use the carbide tipped.
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#173397 - 01/08/08 07:24 PM Re: Recessed Lights - Old Work vs New Work [Re: HCE727]
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and there is a trick with some holesaw if you have the regualr type run the holesaw in reverse that way it will really save the wear and tear on the blade.

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#173398 - 01/08/08 08:05 PM Re: Recessed Lights - Old Work vs New Work [Re: frenchelectrican]
KJay Offline
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Loc: MA, USA
I started using one of those adjustable HolePro X-200 kits with the carbide bits and dust collector last year, mainly because I could never find carbide tipped recessed light hole saws for the Halo 5-inch remodel cans or those really tiny Lightolier remodels. I believe they are 3-inch.
I still have the older Greenlee recessed light hole saws that I’ve used for years as backups.
With the popularity of the 5-inch cans, I can't understand why Greenlee, Milwaukee or Lennox hasn't made a recessed light hole saw available for them yet.
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#173405 - 01/09/08 07:49 AM Re: Recessed Lights - Old Work vs New Work [Re: KJay]
Zapped Offline
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Often called "retro" cans out here, they work great once you get the hang of installation.

I tried all the holes saws, but got tired of bleeding drywall and plaster dust out of my eyes, so I went back to the keyhole saw. Believe it or not, I can out cut other guys that use the hole saws, and I NEVER over cut anymore.
Please excuse the John-Henry-style bragging smile
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#173419 - 01/09/08 12:05 PM Re: Recessed Lights - Old Work vs New Work [Re: Zapped]
NJ_Mountaineer Offline
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What about the Greenlee "Quick Cutter" recessed light hole saw

Never used it but I've seen it around for years...anyone use it/ like it?
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#173443 - 01/09/08 06:47 PM Re: Recessed Lights - Old Work vs New Work [Re: NJ_Mountaineer]
leland Offline
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Loc: Lowell area, Ma. USA
I use hole saws all the time. I mark,poke a screwdriver up, find the joist,etc. Then I place a box (soda case,low sides) and drill. no problems.Dust collected and no Tears.
Most of the time.
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