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#173167 - 01/04/08 02:40 AM CO detector
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I am currently installing CO detection in MA in hotels and I am using one of the technical options of which I am using technical option F. I have been using a CM15a co detector manufactured by 3M and I was informed that this would not meet the requirement of the technical option F as the activating point is not 50 PPM. Does anyone know of a UL approved CO detector that is 24v wall mount with a NO/NC contact that will activate at 50 parts per million.

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#173175 - 01/04/08 07:04 AM Re: CO detector [Re: shortcircuit]
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shortcircuit,
Have you looked into possible use of the 3M/Macurca CM-1B? May be able to latch at 35PPM/TWA.
If they are going to be installed in areas like boiler and laundry rooms to provide OSHA exposure time protection for workers, maybe they would work for you. Probably not adequate for public areas though. Seems that most everything else is 70PPM.

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#173180 - 01/04/08 08:33 AM Re: CO detector [Re: KJay]
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Scratch that CM-1B. After closer review of the
spec sheet, it's clear that it won't be of any use in your installation.

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#173199 - 01/04/08 05:21 PM Re: CO detector [Re: KJay]
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What code are you looking at, in the NFPA, Mass, And local?

are these for occupant protection? or for equipment shuyt down?

Expand a little. I'm haveing trouble putting it all together.

Lee

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#173201 - 01/04/08 05:28 PM Re: CO detector [Re: leland]
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Most of the TLV values for carbon monoxide are lower that 50 PPM.

You can see them here.
http://www.osha.gov/SLTC/healthguidelines/carbonmonoxide/recognition.html

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#173210 - 01/05/08 01:43 AM Re: CO detector [Re: shortcircuit]
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Massachusetts Carbon Monoxide Rules...

527 CMR 31.00 section 31.05 f

The job is in Hotels

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#173211 - 01/05/08 06:41 AM Re: CO detector [Re: shortcircuit]
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Massachusetts Carbon Monoxide Rules...

527 CMR 31.00 section 31.05 f


For the others: This rule is for roof mounted fossil fuel burning equipment.
This state has gotten quite stringent with CO regulations.

Short, Ive not had to deal with this yet.You may need to go to the Alarm supplier as oposed to the elec house.

Keep us posted, and I'l keep my ears open.

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#173223 - 01/05/08 01:25 PM Re: CO detector [Re: shortcircuit]
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shortcircuit,
I've posted your question to a couple of fire alarm forum sites.
Hopefully, someone there will have an answer. I have looked every where myself, but so far can't find anything in the U.S. that will latch at 50 PPM. Not even finding 4/20 transducer models that can be set that low. Seems to be some European stuff that will, but of no use to us here.
Since I also live in MA, I may run into this same situation, so it would be good if someone had an answer. Leave it MA to require something that may not even exist.
Please post back if you find something.
TKX

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#173230 - 01/05/08 03:36 PM Re: CO detector [Re: KJay]
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Leave it MA to require something that may not even exist.--



Ya, Does battery back up heat detectors ring a bell?
(around '95)
Or the talking CO det with aux contacts for shut down? We had to use custom devices there for a while.

Required. But not in production at the time.


Edited by leland (01/05/08 03:37 PM)

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#173605 - 01/14/08 11:05 AM Re: CO detector [Re: leland]
KJay Offline
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Registered: 11/27/07
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Well, after ten days the only response I got from one of the alarm sites that I posted this question on was to "contact 3M/Macurca, because they do this kind of thing all the time."
So, I guess, if you haven’t already tried them, maybe they can help.

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