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#172974 - 12/30/07 11:06 PM Are metal boxes required in Canada?
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Loc: Fredericksburg, VA, USA
I am a huge fan of Mike Holt's show. I know that he's a bit particular, so I have to wonder whether what is done on his show is a formal CEC requirement or just his personal preference.

I've never seen his electricians using plastic boxes; they are always metal ones for receptacles and switches. We don't see metal-only much in these parts in new construction (except in the Chicago area).

While we are on the subject, I never see his crews using nails for anything other than trim. They always seem to be using impact screw guns, even for basic stud wall framing. Is that another Canadian requirement or just something that his show's major sponsor (Dewalt) throws in?

Sorry for the simple questions. I have to stay up until 3:00 for a software upgrade that we are doing, I just got done watching a re-run of his show and figured that I would ask these questions while they are fresh in my mind.
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#172976 - 12/30/07 11:29 PM Re: Are metal boxes required in Canada? [Re: EV607797]
canuck Offline
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Registered: 07/15/06
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Loc: Canada
Are you talking about Mike Holmes? (Holmes on Holmes?)

Screws aren't required for framing as far as I know (I think it is his personal preference but not just to advertise the Dewalt Impact Drills)

Well the only time I have used plastic boxes is in residential work - 52 suites (loomex). Haven't heard their reasoning about using only metal boxes only.

To Quote the code book
12-3000

(2)Non-metallic outlet boxes shall not be used in wiring methods using metal raceways or armoured or metal-sheathed cable, except where the boxes are provided with bonding connections between all conductor entry openings.

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#172977 - 12/30/07 11:40 PM Re: Are metal boxes required in Canada? [Re: canuck]
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Registered: 08/08/05
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We use plastic boxes in new residential http://www.tnb.com/contractor/docs/nutek.pdf
In retrofits, we generally use metal boxes.
Commercial work is always metal boxes.
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#172988 - 12/31/07 05:39 AM Re: Are metal boxes required in Canada? [Re: EV607797]
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Registered: 08/08/07
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Loc: Ontario
No to both questions.

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#172993 - 12/31/07 06:41 AM Re: Are metal boxes required in Canada? [Re: CanuckSparky]
leland Offline
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Registered: 08/20/07
Posts: 856
Loc: Lowell area, Ma. USA
New resi, I use plastic. Resi OW I use metal, those plastic ones are too bulky and hard to put a nice finish on them.

Commercial: Always metal, even sheetrocked office areas.

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#173041 - 12/31/07 07:21 PM Re: Are metal boxes required in Canada? [Re: EV607797]
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Registered: 12/30/01
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Loc: Stoney Creek, ON, Canada
Great TV show, but Mr Holmes tends to "overkill" his projects. This isn't necessarily a bad thing. But when you have millions of viewers watching, and somebody else writing the cheques for labour and materials, can you blame him?

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#173130 - 01/03/08 06:22 AM Re: Are metal boxes required in Canada? [Re: Sandro]
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Registered: 01/11/06
Posts: 60
Loc: Iqaluit, NU, Canada
Yes... I agree Sandro. One of the complaints I have with the show is... its easy to fix things by ripping it all out and starting over. But how many of the average home owner can do that? I'd wager not many could do it the way they do.

The show would offer more to the average Joe if they spent some time explaining how to fix what's found, not how to rip & tear and rebuild everything from scratch.

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#173147 - 01/03/08 04:27 PM Re: Are metal boxes required in Canada? [Re: Rick Kelly]
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Well said Rick. I agree with you.

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#173151 - 01/03/08 04:53 PM Re: Are metal boxes required in Canada? [Re: CanuckSparky]
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Loc: Levittown, PA
That's the only gripe I have with Holmes on Homes. Only real exceptions are the REALLY bad houses he does.

Hidden junction boxes can be a pain though.

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