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#17232 - 11/21/02 08:40 PM Which Code to use?
Bill Addiss Offline
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Registered: 10/07/00
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Loc: NY, USA
Just curious,
Is anyone in an area not using the 2002 involved in any debates or issues of which code to use?

We, in NY are officially on the 1999 NEC as per recently adopted (July 2002) NY State Building Code, but some localities and Inspection Agencies had originally chosen to support the 2002. After some debate and investigation they have decided that they cannot legally enforce anything other than the State-adopted code without some serious justification and approval process.

If the common opinion is that the latest version of the NEC is always the safest, would you be negligennt or liable in any way by going with a less restrictive older code?

Example:
Bidding and wiring a strip-mall of stores with NM Cable because it is cheaper and still permitted under the 1999 (legally adopted) code, but knowing that it would not be permitted under the not yet adopted 2002 Code. If something happened because of the NM cable, what is your exposure to claims?

Has this come up in your area?
What are your thoughts?

Bill

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#17233 - 11/21/02 10:18 PM Re: Which Code to use?
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Registered: 10/19/00
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Loc: Anaheim, CA. USA
I'll bite

California using CEC (California Electrical Code), which is based on 1999 NEC.

So far, no areas I know of in So. Ca. are using anything more current than 1999 NEC.

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#17234 - 11/22/02 05:37 AM Re: Which Code to use?
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Registered: 08/10/01
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Loc: Chestertown, MD, USA
Here I am still trying to deal with 2 jurisdictions still using the 93 Code.

Trying to remember how things use to be is a pain.

Bill,

How about the other side of the coin, where something is allowed in a later Code but not the earlier version, i.e. bathroom circuits and the exceptions? Should I lower the standard of installation in order to comply?

Jim

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#17235 - 11/22/02 07:19 AM Re: Which Code to use?
Bill Addiss Offline
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Loc: NY, USA
Jim,

Good question.
The thing I find most surprising is that until recent months no one I knew, including AHJs, Building Officials, and other Electricians actually knew that we were on the 1993 code. (Some Inspectors thought that the 1996 had been adopted at some point though) How can local governments and their Agents not know what the State Laws are?


If a jurisdiction is officially on the 1999 NEC can seminars or courses on the 2002 qualify as CE credits required for license renewal?

Bill

[This message has been edited by Bill Addiss (edited 11-22-2002).]

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#17236 - 11/22/02 08:41 AM Re: Which Code to use?
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Registered: 04/03/02
Posts: 6804
Loc: Brick, NJ USA
Bill:
Here in New Jersey, the State has not adopted the 2002 NEC, the '99 is still in effect.
I am not aware of any instances of conflict within the areas that we work in.
Yes, the CE credits are/were given for the '02 code update classes.
Hopefully, they will adopt the '02 before the '05 comes out.
Frankly, it's a pain in the butt to take the CE's, and not practice what you spent the time on.
John
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#17237 - 11/22/02 04:12 PM Re: Which Code to use?
Tom Offline
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Registered: 01/01/01
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Loc: Shinnston, WV USA
In the Mountain State, if you're installing a service entrance in the Allegheny Power service area, the entrance only must meet the 2002 NEC. For the rest of the state, 1999 NEC applies (please note that I didn't say "enforced").

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#17238 - 11/22/02 04:55 PM Re: Which Code to use?
electure Offline

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Registered: 12/24/00
Posts: 4226
Loc: Fullerton, CA USA
Scott 35 took the bait. I'll now set the hook...and start reeling him in. (It's only a few blocks).
The "new" CEC was just adopted about 3 weeks ago.
It is to be used verbatim within the entire State of CA, unless a locality can prove and submit to the State that a change should be made to their jurisdiction because of a topographical, geological, or climatic conditions,(ie: seismic, close to ocean, bottom of Death Valley, etc).
This should be causing quite a stir amongst the "My City, My Way" inspectors that are so prevalent here.
As yet I don't have any feedback from the guys. Our jobs are still under the earlier Code, as the permits were pulled pre 11-1-02. Just got one in Newport Beach today, and I'm curious how it'll work out.
The major issues here in So CA will probably concern County/City of Los Angeles (always have beat to their own drum), and a couple of others I dare not mention 'cause we've got jobs going there.
The new CEC is meant to provide some regularity to the Codes here...we'll see.
It probably won't mean much to the Combo inspectors that didn't know the earlier Code anyway, but the the day of "I want it done this way...because I'M THE INSPECTOR" should be over.
Neato, does this mean I can use Romex in commercial buildings?
(But then, there's still 90-4)

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#17239 - 11/22/02 05:58 PM Re: Which Code to use?
caselec Offline
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Registered: 04/14/02
Posts: 557
Loc: San Jose, CA
Electure

Is there something unique about this edition (2001) of the CEC compared to previous editions?

Curt
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#17240 - 11/24/02 01:13 PM Re: Which Code to use?
electure Offline

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Registered: 12/24/00
Posts: 4226
Loc: Fullerton, CA USA
The Code is based on the 1999 NEC, the previous Coded was based on the '96.
I think that the main difference will lie in the fact that the localities will not be able to amend it on a whim, but will have to have it approved by the State.
(BTW, this will apply to not only the CEC, but all the California Building Codes

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#17241 - 11/24/02 03:09 PM Re: Which Code to use?
caselec Offline
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Registered: 04/14/02
Posts: 557
Loc: San Jose, CA
Electure

Thanks for the reply. I am aware that the 2001 CEC is based on the 1999 NEC but did not know that there were now restrictions on local codes. Could you please elaborate on this. Many of the cities and counties I work in have local electrical codes such as San Mateo County requires raceways for all residential feeders and the City of Hillsborough requires raceways for all residential wiring. Are you saying they can no longer enforce these local codes?

Curt
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