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#171543 - 11/30/07 12:34 PM Unprotected Romex
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A common cause of debate is whether you can run "Romex" in pipe. The NEC, however, specifies that the material be protected from damage, and can even require a pipe sleeve where passing through a floor.

"The Electric Kid" has sent in these two pics from his home; it seems that whoever ran the wire did not consider whether the (relatively thin) panels might be a cause for abrasion to the cables.





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#171551 - 11/30/07 01:47 PM Re: Unprotected Romex [Re: renosteinke]
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Looks as if the cables are just passing through a piece of OSB, a laminated beam or plywood. Regardless of the material, what would be the harm?

Also, from my view, those appear to be two 8/3 or 6/3 SEU cables, but that could be due to my monitor or the dust on the screen or the fact that it's Friday afternoon if you know what I mean.
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#171556 - 11/30/07 04:17 PM Re: Unprotected Romex [Re: EV607797]
leland Offline
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Pic 1 is bad. Pic 2 looks like old RX. or UF.

Depends on the material it is passing thru and the physical demands on the ends of the cable.

even if there were a sleave on it.. most likely the installer would not have used correct fittings and the sleave would be the physical hazard.

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#171560 - 11/30/07 04:43 PM Re: Unprotected Romex [Re: leland]
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It's all new NM cable (the same cables in both photos), not even a year old yet. All the wood is plywood.

It's just stapled to the plywood floor in this storage space. No running board, nothing. And there's a space to fish cables under the boards too, in the form of 2X4s going perpendicular to the joists.

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#171563 - 11/30/07 05:07 PM Re: Unprotected Romex [Re: Theelectrikid]
leland Offline
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So that pic is thru the floor then along it?
Behind a "knee" wall or just open? can the area be used for storage or "dead" space?

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#171566 - 11/30/07 05:22 PM Re: Unprotected Romex [Re: leland]
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The holes are in the side "walls" of the storage space. It's behind a knee wall in a soffit/attic, and it is used for storage. In pic one, the cables go into a dead space, then somehow maneuvers into the garage. In pic two, they go into another storage space, which I don't have pics of yet.

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#171569 - 11/30/07 05:38 PM Re: Unprotected Romex [Re: Theelectrikid]
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So thats not good. Not in any probable storage area.

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#171997 - 12/10/07 12:36 PM Re: Unprotected Romex [Re: renosteinke]
Theelectrikid Offline
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Here's the cables above where they cross in front of the attic "door."


(This pic is on the member-upload-site)

Ian A.


Edited by Theelectrikid (12/10/07 12:36 PM)
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