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#170938 - 11/15/07 10:40 AM Belgium power sockets
LarryC Offline
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Registered: 07/05/04
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Folks,

A couple of questions.

What are the standard sockets used in Belgium? We are shipping some pieces of lab equipment over there, and I was asked, "What cords do we need to order?"

This equipment is composed of a chiller that draws about 9 or 10 A @ 230V, and separate group of equipment that combined draw is less than 10 A @ 230V.

Is there a stock blue circular power plug that supports two 10(?) Amp circuits?

Thanks,

Larry C

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#170949 - 11/15/07 02:56 PM Re: Belgium power sockets [Re: LarryC]
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The standard is the round 16 A two pin plug with the ground pin in the socket. (Two pins on the plug and one in the socket).

I can only think of one blue circular power plug that supports two 2 x 10 amps: A 32 A CEE plug combined with two fuses in your equipment. Or supply two 16A cords with plugs...

Another solution is to check if all parts of the equipment need power at the same time. If not, maybe you can do with 16A.

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#170963 - 11/15/07 05:28 PM Re: Belgium power sockets [Re: C-H]
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 Originally Posted By: C-H
The standard is the round 16 A two pin plug with the ground pin in the socket. (Two pins on the plug and one in the socket).


The ones which look like this:



And accept this plug (which also fits the German shucko socket with side earth contacts):


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#171020 - 11/17/07 05:09 AM Re: Belgium power sockets [Re: pauluk]
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I am not aware of any commonly available plug that would provide 2 X 10A single phase circuits.

However, 5 pin 3 phase sockets (400V) sockets are widely available (CEEform type sleeve and pin plugs are the legal requirement for these). It would not be acceptable to use one of these for 2 x single phase circuits as they could be mated with a real 3-phase outlet.

Given what you are describing, if this is a single machine, you really should provide appropriate circuit protection for the two groups of equipment within the device i.e. fusing / breakers and then provide a single appropriately rated CEEform (Blue sleeve and pin to European standards) connector for connection.

How would this equipment be connected in North America ?


Edited by djk (11/17/07 05:20 AM)

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#171026 - 11/17/07 10:58 AM Re: Belgium power sockets [Re: djk]
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How would this equipment be connected in North America ?


The customer would have to provide 2 separate circuits. One for the chiller and one for the rest of the equipment.

I was not involved in the selling or reviewing the installation of the system. I was just notified Thursday, "Oh by the way, we also have to provide an extension cord because this system will be installed on a cart."

I believe that the chiller manual states it draws 12A @ 230V and therefore it needs to be a dedicated circuit.

Larry C

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#171030 - 11/17/07 01:40 PM Re: Belgium power sockets [Re: LarryC]
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I would simply provide 2 X CEE 7/7 16A plugs and cords \:\)

Alternatively, a pair of IEC connectors might be acceptable?


Edited by djk (11/17/07 01:43 PM)

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#171031 - 11/17/07 01:43 PM Re: Belgium power sockets [Re: djk]
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#171059 - 11/18/07 01:13 AM Re: Belgium power sockets [Re: djk]
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Does your client have a 230v/400v x 3 phase supply?

If so, you could provide a 3 phase + N plug and cord with your equipment and hardwire 2 x 230v + N circuits at your equipment panel [ with 2 x onboard 16A breakers? ].
Third phase is redundant.
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#171081 - 11/19/07 07:31 AM Re: Belgium power sockets [Re: Alan Belson]
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16A CEE would be enough in terms of overcurrent protection as long as the subsequent wiring is at least 1.5mm2 and the equipment itself is limiting the current. Basically: you can install a 5x1.5mm2 cord with 3ph plug and permanently wire 3 16A Belgian sockets on the cart, one of which is unused (or only use two phases). Or provide 2 10A IEC connectors and have the customer get two computer cords + regular extension cords.

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