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#166187 - 07/14/07 06:21 PM Anyone want to take a stab at this?
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I went to a friend's house today and he had a problem with a circuit in his basement. It was easily fixed by replacing a receptacle. But, upon further inspection of his panel, I was slightly baffled.

Someone had taken a 200 Amp Siemens load center and converted it to a 100 Amp panel. I know this is kinda common, but the way it was done had me a little confused. They completely bypassed the Main Breaker knockout at the top and used a 100 Amp breaker in spots 1 and 3 to feed it. The spot where the main breaker was supposed to be was not knocked out so there is not live parts exposed. I just can't seem to find anything in the code that covers this type of installation.

Can anyone give me a clue if this is allowed? And the applicable article to look at for reference?

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#166190 - 07/14/07 09:07 PM Re: Anyone want to take a stab at this? [Re: GA76JW]
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You won't find it in the NEC really. More of a listing issue.

Yes, this is allowed if the instructions on, or with the panel are followed for the use of the approved breaker hold-down device.

Usually a plastic clip, or metal screw that holds the breaker in. Often you'll find the 'hold-down kit' part number on the sticker, not far from the 'ground bar' part number or other acessories. And on the circuit diagram it will show where it can be placed.

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#166191 - 07/14/07 10:45 PM Re: Anyone want to take a stab at this? [Re: e57]
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The hold down requirement only came about in the 1990 NEC if done prior to adoption of same, hold down was not required.(but if done at that time I-T-E name would be on panel)
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#166196 - 07/15/07 12:36 AM Re: Anyone want to take a stab at this? [Re: NORCAL]
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Well now I'm asking the same question - where would it be????? confused
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#166202 - 07/15/07 10:39 AM Re: Anyone want to take a stab at this? [Re: e57]
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You made me work to find this one. It should be in Article 240, but they hid it in 408.16(F)
Next time I'll make sure I have my Ferm's Finder. smile
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#166205 - 07/15/07 11:40 AM Re: Anyone want to take a stab at this? [Re: Alan Nadon]
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Thanks Alan! I looked all over the place - I think I even glanced over that one and failed to see it.
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#166206 - 07/15/07 02:18 PM Re: Anyone want to take a stab at this? [Re: e57]
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Wow thanks guys. That tells me a lot more. I really couldn't say if it was done before then or not. I'll have to look to see the manufacturing date of the panel next time I'm over there to try to get an idea of when it may have been done.

I learn more from you guys here than I seem to do on the job. I don't post much, but I learn a ton from reading.

Thanks to the replies e57, NORCAL and Alan.


Edited by GA76Apprentice (07/15/07 02:22 PM)
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#166208 - 07/15/07 05:22 PM Re: Anyone want to take a stab at this? [Re: GA76JW]
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That's what inspectors get the big bucks for.
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