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#160199 - 07/06/05 02:19 PM Datacom Floor Boxes
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Will someone please explain to me why it is OK for the VDV contractor to use a cut-in plastic (romex-type residential) box as a "floor box" on the second floor conference room floor? An electrician would be expected to use a rated floor box.

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#160200 - 07/06/05 04:58 PM Re: Datacom Floor Boxes
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Ummm, mental deficiency comes to mind.

Seriously, many of these guys have no background in electrical or construction and usually don't have a clue about how things are done. You see that in the IT realm as well. Unfortunately these areas require wiring to be run and this is what you can expect when these guys handle it.

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#160201 - 07/06/05 08:07 PM Re: Datacom Floor Boxes
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I think the real answer is they don't have to contain the splices in a box like you do with line voltage. The only function of the cut in box is to mount the plate. Most wall terminations are nothing but a mud ring to carry the keystone plate and the splice hanging in the wall cavity.
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#160202 - 07/07/05 07:06 AM Re: Datacom Floor Boxes
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Ah, yes....those cut-in rings will be the subject of another pic soon.

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#160203 - 07/07/05 04:05 PM Re: Datacom Floor Boxes
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I wait with baited breath!

... they don't have to contain the splices in a box like you do with line voltage. The only function of the cut in box is to mount the plate. Most wall terminations are nothing but a mud ring to carry the keystone plate and the splice hanging in the wall cavity.

Naww, those guys use plastic boxes for everything, they don't know enough to use a mud ring.


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#160204 - 07/07/05 05:54 PM Re: Datacom Floor Boxes
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As far as I know... It does not say a floor box has to be listed only when it's line voltage. If this is for tel/data it is still a violation in my mind. And the person who put it in aught to know better. As it is not only a NEC violation, I believe other building codes as well, which I believe to clearly state that the 'box and cover support the wieght of a 350Lbs woman standing on the heel of a single high heeled shoe'. Or at least thats what I tell customers who ask why that floor access box cost $500.
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#160205 - 07/10/05 09:48 PM Re: Datacom Floor Boxes
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Hal,
Respectfully, why don't you just shut-up! I am sick to death of your constant bashing of VDV contractors on this and other message boards. You're distain for any technology developed after 1950 is quite obvious in your hundreds of negative posts. If you and the EC's would like, we can start a flame war, I'm all for it. I have a hard drive chock full of pic's of shoddy not to code work performed by supposed telco guy's and reputable EC's, so bring it on!

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#160206 - 07/10/05 11:30 PM Re: Datacom Floor Boxes
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Datadude,
If you have some thing to share, I am very sure we would all like to see it. But personal attacks like the one you just launched on Hal, well, just are not very productive. Although Hal has some very stern opinions, and often wise advise on what you should and should not do with Cat-5 wiring, I don't think what you just hammered on you keyboard was called for.

Mark
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#160207 - 07/11/05 05:20 AM Re: Datacom Floor Boxes
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Datadude seems to be one of the many problems that has come up with the explosion of technology and everybody so bent on getting rich off of it, but not worrying about the quality and or safety of the things they are installing, Hal is a professional with strong opinions that I feel have a lot of experience behind them and I understand that it is frustrating to see people doing things like this floor box that will fall thru the floor given the right amount of weight is placed in the right place. Datadude is the type of person to give good low-volt guys a bad reputation.

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#160208 - 07/11/05 09:55 AM Re: Datacom Floor Boxes
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This is just the chronic divide between the electrIC and electrONIC industry. Someday there will be a merger but until then I suppose there will be little wizzing matches.
It is so bad around here that my favorite builder can't use the Arlington combo box http://www.aifittings.com/whnew50.htm
because the LV and line volt ECs can't agree who mounts the box and if the other guy's wire can come up into it. The customer ends up with 2 plates somewhat near each other that seldom line up. :-(
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