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#1590 - 05/16/01 11:11 PM EMT for Underground Services
Bill Addiss Offline
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In our area most underground services were once installed using EMT. The conduits are all in need of replacement now. Is this the same situation everywhere? Just Curious.




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#1591 - 05/17/01 05:26 AM Re: EMT for Underground Services
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Bill,
The UL white book says: "In general, galvanized steel EMT in contact with soil requires supplementary corrosion protection."
The utility in this area does not permit EMT for services. Most are PVC with some rigid and a very few IMC.
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#1592 - 05/17/01 07:12 AM Re: EMT for Underground Services
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Loc: Miami, Fl, USA
Here in miami, when its underground, we use (for most residential services)a 2" Rigid down pipe (it has to go down 2 feet) the cable in the down pipe is either direct burial triplex, or its sheathed in 2" sch. 40 PVC back to the pole. in some places i have seen that 2" rigid pipe rust pretty badly.. thats what you get for having a water table 6-8 feel below the ground

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#1593 - 05/17/01 08:58 AM Re: EMT for Underground Services
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Registered: 04/04/01
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Loc: NC
Bill,

Here in NC I have seen that a time or too. In this field there is never a dull moment,and just when you think you have seen it all bam here we go again.
Even though we try to do our best at the time of installation. There are always beter materials and methodology being developed all the time.
It's always interesting to see these types of situlation. It gives us a better insight of what we all can or may encounter in our field.

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#1594 - 05/17/01 11:53 AM Re: EMT for Underground Services
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Up here in the green mountains the earth is all bones, remnants of some ancient meteor no doubt.
So direct burial is usually frowned on, most of what i see is in pvc , once in a while rigid

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#1595 - 05/17/01 01:01 PM Re: EMT for Underground Services
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Here in the evergreen state, EMT is not used if it will be in direct contact with the earth. Also can't use it for an aboveground service raceway.
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#1596 - 05/17/01 02:10 PM Re: EMT for Underground Services
Bill Addiss Offline
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Was EMT ever approved for this use?
Every underground residential service I've seen from, say 30 years ago was done in this way (and looks like this). We've got a whole lot of pipes to replace here.

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#1597 - 05/17/01 02:32 PM Re: EMT for Underground Services
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Registered: 01/01/01
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I hate to say it, but here in the Mountain State, if it had a circular cross section, it was used as a raceway. I've had to turn down a few re-connects because of EMT being used. EMT was never approved here in WV for contact with the earth, but, since no one ever said "nope" for a long time, it was used.
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#1598 - 05/17/01 02:59 PM Re: EMT for Underground Services
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I'm guessing, but I think it was the early eighties when it was banned. The reason they banned it for service raceway was because people were only hand-tightening the EMT compression couplings and connectors. Guess they were too lazy to reach for their channel locks!
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#1599 - 05/17/01 03:22 PM Re: EMT for Underground Services
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Loc: York, NE
Very common on old work around here. I have replaced lots of these with PVC....usually after repairing the UG that was damaged by the collapsing, rusted emt.

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