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#157145 - 09/01/05 06:55 AM Waiver of Lien
Jps1006 Offline
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Loc: Northern IL
Often times contractors and owners request a waiver well before the check gets issued. What are your policies on issuing waivers? Do any of you only trade waiver for check, or do you usually give it up front?

Any horror stories of issuing a waiver early only to regret later?
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#157146 - 09/01/05 10:31 AM Re: Waiver of Lien
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Your waiver should state that the lein waiver is valid only upon reciept of full payment, and proper transfer of funds completed.
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#157147 - 09/01/05 01:55 PM Re: Waiver of Lien
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Payment and a waiver are typically a trade at the same time. The exception woulb be where someone has already made a payment, then asks for a waiver (which you should give without question). It's a HUGE red flag if someone asks for a waiver without payment.

Dave
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#157148 - 09/01/05 03:49 PM Re: Waiver of Lien
Electric Eagle Offline
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Registered: 04/20/02
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Loc: Alpharetta, GA
I either want the check in hand or if it is to be mailed, a faxed copy of the check before I send a fax of my lien waiver. I mail the waiver when I get the check.
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#157149 - 09/02/05 01:39 PM Re: Waiver of Lien
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Registered: 02/22/03
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I know a Heating contractor that fell for that. They told him "give us the final lien waiver so we can get you check". He never got paid. I didn't didn't get paid on the same job but at leat I have a lean on the home.

If a lein waiver is requested ahead of payment then It's a red flag. Maybe you get paid once then the next and bigger job you get hosed.

By giving out the lien you said your paid and give up some recoarse.

Don't believe it if they try to tell you it's allways done way before payment.

Tom
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#157150 - 09/03/05 12:19 AM Re: Waiver of Lien
macmikeman Offline
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Just do it the way I said. People, most especially crooked general contractor people bounce checks. If your lein has my disclaimer, then its invaled if the check bounces. And most important it holds up in a court of law.
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#157151 - 09/03/05 07:17 AM Re: Waiver of Lien
iwire Offline
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Loc: North Attleboro, MA USA
I am not an company owner so I am not that failure with the business side.

None the less I have to ask why would anyone consider waiving the right to apply a lien.

If the customer plans on paying what reason would they have for wanting the waiver?
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#157152 - 09/03/05 08:21 AM Re: Waiver of Lien
Tiger Offline
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Registered: 05/04/05
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Loc: Crystal Lake, IL USA
Lein waivers are a typical part of business. They are required when the project is paid through a title company. These are the best projects because the money is guaranteed. Once you are paid, you give up the right to lein the property. It is the owners way to prove that everyone has been paid when the project is complete.

Dave
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#157153 - 09/04/05 07:34 PM Re: Waiver of Lien
nesparky Offline
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Registered: 06/21/01
Posts: 642
Loc: omaha,ne
The best way is to use a Conditional Lien Waver worded to say that this lien waver has to have the cancelled check attached to be valid. That way if the check is not recieved or bounces the lien is not taken off.
Check with your attourney to make sure the wording on the conditional waver is accepted in your area/state. As this is a legal document you need to make sure it is correct.
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#157154 - 09/05/05 11:40 AM Re: Waiver of Lien
iwire Offline
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Loc: North Attleboro, MA USA
Dave I understand that once the final payment is made that the lien needs to be released.

What I am asking is why if an EC did not have the final payment in hand would they even think a second about releasing the right to apply a lien?

I am a nice guy until it comes to someone trying cost me money.

Come to think of it I guess it's good I do not own a company.
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Bob Badger
Construction & Maintenance Electrician
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