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#153319 - 11/01/06 03:38 PM Odd Outlets
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#153320 - 11/01/06 03:41 PM Re: Odd Outlets
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#153321 - 11/01/06 03:52 PM Re: Odd Outlets
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These are from where I work. I have no idea what to make of the first one. It looks like you could plug in a 1-15 or a 2-15 plug, and that the two are perpindicular to each other. Maybe it's some old 3-phase thing instead?

The other one is odd both for the outlet and the cover. There are several of these scattered about the building. The building was put up sometime in the 1920s, I think. None of these outlets are actually used. I'm not sure what to make of the outlet itself. Is the center hole a ground of some kind, or just a rivet to keep the front plate on? Also, what kind of plug would need T terminals on both sides?

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#153322 - 11/02/06 08:59 AM Re: Odd Outlets
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I may be mistaken, but those may be fan outlets. the fan hung on the little knob below the outlet.

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#153323 - 11/02/06 04:23 PM Re: Odd Outlets
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The hole in the porcelan one is simply a screw hole, to hold together both halves of the recrpticle.

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#153324 - 11/02/06 05:16 PM Re: Odd Outlets
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Do they still have power?

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#153325 - 11/02/06 08:13 PM Re: Odd Outlets
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Now theres something you don't see everyday... A Frank Adam wall plate (on the Hubbell outlet)

The top outlet is the precursor to the T slot Nema 2-15 outlet (the 2nd pic).

There's some sort of symbol on the face of the 1st outlet, but I can't make it out, enlarging it makes it look like kanji.

Here's a few I've come across...
http://electrical-contractor.net/ubb/Forum17/HTML/000082.html

PS.. Welcome to ECN

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#153326 - 11/02/06 10:30 PM Re: Odd Outlets
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EASports, I've been doing some research and asking questions about those receptacles you posted....as mentioned by Lostazhell, the second receptacle (t-slot) was the successor of the first one.

From what I have gathered so far according to some on this web board, sometime back before 1930 the electrical industry had not yet standardized the plugs on different appliances, fans, lamps, etc.....therefore there were several types of male plugs, however the two most common were the parallel blade and the tandem blades.

Then finally the electrical industry decided all 120 v. plus will be parallel blades and not tandem blades.....but yet many tandem blade plugs still existed, so they invented the t-slot to accomodate both parallel and tandem type plug ends.

Of course what makes me curious is what was wrong with the first design arrangement of the slots that they felt they needed to change them over to the t-slot design?

The first outlet you have posted will most likely accept a standard ungrounded 120 v. plug. Looks like if you were to take one of those 15 a./240 v. NEMA 6-15 plugs and cut off the ground it would fit in there too.

Of interest when I first started this research I asked a guy who had been selling electrical stuff since the 60's....he told me the tandem ungrounded receptacles like these could be wired for 120 v. or 240 v., the 240 v. using the tandem blades, but others here have mentioned that is not so. Of course this same guy said because NEMA had not standardized anything until the 60's that it was very likely to plug the wrong appliance in...

Now on that 2nd outlet....what does that cover say? Does that say "PAT 10-20-17"?

How high on the walls are these receptacles located? Perhaps they're still live on a 120 v. source?

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#153327 - 11/09/06 04:04 PM Re: Odd Outlets
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I have no idea if they're still live. Both outlets are fairly high up on the wall, 5 or 6 feet.

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#153328 - 11/15/06 01:02 PM Re: Odd Outlets
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Then they are definitely fan outlets. Very common in office buildings in the 20's and 30's. Regular desktop fans had keyhole slots in the base in which to hang on the coverplates. Since they were somewhat heavy, the plates had to be of a heavy construction and supported securely, but some of the mounting pins did break off over time, especially if an oscillating fan was used. I know I got an old electrical book that shows one of these.

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