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#15200 - 10/09/02 09:01 PM Sometimes I get lucky! Sometimes I don't!
sparky66wv Offline
Registered: 11/17/00
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Loc: West Virginia
Sometimes, I really luck out when trying to nail absolute dimensions during rough-in...

(The house is really plumb and square... My camera is doing odd things to the image!)

Sometimes, I'm not so lucky or careful!

What do you do when you have to fix something like this?
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#15201 - 10/09/02 10:42 PM Re: Sometimes I get lucky! Sometimes I don't!
Trumpy Offline

Registered: 07/05/02
Posts: 8211
Loc: SI,New Zealand
Hmmm, that's a tough one, do you go with your plate or do you go with the trim?
That wall trim must be way out of square.
Let's face it, these days if you're not young, you're old - Red Green grin
#15202 - 10/10/02 12:32 AM Re: Sometimes I get lucky! Sometimes I don't!
Scott35 Offline

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Registered: 10/19/00
Posts: 2707
Loc: Anaheim, CA. USA

Let me be the first to say Darn Good Job!!! for spotting your boxes during Rough!

That sucks for the "Not So Lucky" 2 Gang Switch to end up tweaked. Wish I could suggest something, but when my outlets fall under / behind something, they REALLY end up in the wrong place!!! Only remedy option then is to raise / lower the effected outlet, extend or shorten the Conduit and re-pull the Conductors if needed.
Afterwards, either patch the Drywall myself or ask Mr. Drywaller to fix.
[note: ask = beg, borrow, steal, blackmail, etc. as situation requires...<joke>]

This does not occur frequently for me (Thank Goodness!), but when Cabinet Vendors want to be D**KS, they really spread Chaos with their d**ketry! [aka do not reveal any accurate drawings or dimensions, or change things at the last minute].

Anyone else experience this phenomina?
<jokingly saying this to forum>

Scott S.E.T.

btw, please excuse the close-to foul language!
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#15203 - 10/10/02 04:22 AM Re: Sometimes I get lucky! Sometimes I don't!
sparky Offline
Registered: 10/18/00
Posts: 5303
btw, please excuse the close-to foul language

ok..but it makes for a short post

i don't have a rosey relationship with cabinet makers for this very reason.....

this also happens to me with entry way doors and 'sidelight' windows close by. There are two options, make the switch box part of the trim, extend out the 5/4 with arlington extensions.
get your belt sander out, and get ready to trash a few plates in the process of retrofit.

who chose that color Virgil? i'd say it's 'gold' , but i said "nice purple" trying to compliment one customer, and she snapped back " It's Muuuavve", or something like that...

~Steve aka ( decor-challenged) sparky.....
#15204 - 10/10/02 06:22 AM Re: Sometimes I get lucky! Sometimes I don't!
mamills Offline
Registered: 11/30/01
Posts: 745
Loc: Wharton, Texas, USA
I don't know if you (or your customer)would consider this a viable alternative, but...
I had a situation once where I needed to install a 1000w. light dimmer (the kind that has an aluminum heatsink as its "cover") and an ordinary SPST light switch in a two gang box. I took a few measurements, then cut a strip from a plastic cover plate for the switch on a band saw so that plate and heatsink lined up perfectly. Actually looked pretty good.

Not quite the same situation here, but I just toss it out for thought...

Mike (mamills)
#15205 - 10/10/02 06:37 AM Re: Sometimes I get lucky! Sometimes I don't!
txsparky Offline
Registered: 05/25/01
Posts: 552
Loc: Magnolia,.Texas U.S.A.
This most often occurs because the floor is unlevel and the cabinet man has to use shims to level the cabinets. I always try to allow a little margin of error if the framing allows it.(sometimes your limited such as the pass thru at this wetbar) If I were going to trim the plate I would use a nylon one
#15206 - 10/10/02 06:54 AM Re: Sometimes I get lucky! Sometimes I don't!
sparky66wv Offline
Registered: 11/17/00
Posts: 2232
Loc: West Virginia
This particular box height was measured from an existing cottage (same plans) and the point man said "We'll build the shelves around wherever you need to put it."

So, I put it exactly where it was in another cottage...

Well, I guess the trim-carpenters when they built this shelf were a little on the conservative side when giving me space for my cover plate.

A coping saw, an emery wheel on a dremel, 5 minutes, shaved 9/32", and it looks OK. Thank the Good Lord that this is in a small laundry room and not in the main foyer!

Yes, the shelves are out quite a bit, aren't they! It became real apparent when I got the cover plate installed.

So far, Spring House 9 has had the least amount of screw-ups and touch-ups according to the point-man.


Some dude with a lisp and something wrong with his wrists chose the colors and everything else inside. I think he said he was from "New Yook", where ever that is... He must've been in an accident that caused the lisp and the weird wrist thing... Poor guy.

To me, Ten colors:

Red, orange, yellow, green, blue, purple, white, grey, black, and brown. Every other color is hyphened, like "greenish-blue"...

[This message has been edited by sparky66wv (edited 10-10-2002).]
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#15207 - 10/10/02 12:24 PM Re: Sometimes I get lucky! Sometimes I don't!
Chris Rudolph Offline
Registered: 05/01/01
Posts: 160
Loc: Winter Park,Fl USA
What is the dimension from the left edge of the counter around the inside corner to the duplex rec?
#15208 - 10/10/02 12:52 PM Re: Sometimes I get lucky! Sometimes I don't!
WNYJim Offline
Registered: 06/06/02
Posts: 39
Loc: Rochester, NY, USA
You could use a 4x4 two gang plaster ring and drill 4 holes in , attach it to the 2 gang box with 6/32 screws. If you don't have enough space to put the holes directly in line verticaly, make them slightly off center.
It's not the most professional way to do it but is sure better looking than chopping off the bottom of the plate.
#15209 - 10/10/02 02:16 PM Re: Sometimes I get lucky! Sometimes I don't!
Electricmanscott Offline
Registered: 01/12/02
Posts: 1457
Loc: Holden, MA USA
I think I know where Chris is going but I can't type due to the fact that I am in a state of shock after seeing the GFCI Protcted sticker on the receptacle. I guess there's a first time for everything!
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