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#151965 - 08/06/03 03:07 PM Old UK Cable Labels
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Found these when re-wiring an old house






Heres a sample cutting of the cable, which is actually in quite good condition



A quick search on the net reveals that British insulated Cables existed for 20 years (1925 - 1945) before becoming BICC, which ties in nicely with the house as it was built in the 1930`s .

The original wiring was all there until i ripped it all out (2002), and the switches were all original solid brass and looked lovely. So i put them all safely under the stairs in a box and when i went to get them the bloody joiners threw them in the skip

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#151966 - 08/07/03 02:26 AM Re: Old UK Cable Labels
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Quite a find! It's amazing what sort of old labels, papers, etc. turn up when you start crawling through attics or tearing into walls.

I don't recall ever seeing any labeling with this brand name on before, but of course the rubber-insulated 7/.029 cable is a familiar sight.

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#151967 - 08/07/03 08:27 PM Re: Old UK Cable Labels
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Very nice!

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bloody joiners threw them in the skip



@#%*?! skilled carpenters threw them in the dumpster

Source: The American·British British·American Dictionary For English Speaking People

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#151968 - 08/07/03 09:04 PM Re: Old UK Cable Labels
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Actually....a Dumpster is a particular brand of those types of rubbish bins.

This is according to the Associated Press' writer's style book (or 'bible').

and here is the American Heritage (R) Dictionary's definition:
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A trademark used for containers designed for receiving, transporting, and dumping waste materials. This trademark often occurs in print in lowercase: “[The street is] lined with low-cost apartment buildings and strewn with blue dumpsters” (Chicago Tribune).


Yeah Yeah! I know -- WIZEGUY!!

Was NONAZO just a brand or was it an acronym for something?

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#151969 - 08/08/03 04:48 AM Re: Old UK Cable Labels
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Darn! I've just spent the best part of the last hour browsing through that site!

Interesting, but....

I guess I'd better go do some work.

I suppose I ought to go and do some work.





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#151970 - 08/09/03 07:49 PM Re: Old UK Cable Labels
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Hilarious!


I went to look up "joiners" and "skip" because I wasn't quite certain of the meaning of the last sentence. I sort of gathered that's what it meant based on the context, but wanted to be sure.

As to DUMPSTER being a trade name, I was not aware. Seems it was registered as a trademark in 1963 That whole area of trademark law can be tricky. For example (at least in the US), "Band-Aid" and "Xerox."

I just read that NexTel is trademarking "Push To Talk." Apparently, in the specific area of wireless telephone service, no other company will be permitted to use that term.

I can't believe they were allowed to do that. From what I remember, "PTT" was always an accepted, general term.

Finally, as to the original topic at hand, are those tinned conductors as opposed to Alumin[i]um?

That "Please see that this label is unbroken" at the bottom of the first photo reminds me of the label found on a mattress.

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#151971 - 08/09/03 08:42 PM Re: Old UK Cable Labels
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Most likely the conductors are tin-plated copper. Bare copper reacts with (sulfur? in) rubber compounds with a corrosive effect. Thermoplastic/vinyl does not have this problem so it has no need for plating.




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#151972 - 08/09/03 08:57 PM Re: Old UK Cable Labels
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This is a little off topic, but the term “NON-AZO” these days refers to chemical fabric- and food-dye molecules that do not contain a double-bonded nitrogen pair. It may have had something to do with the fabric covering over the rubber insulation—just a shot in the dark.

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#151973 - 08/10/03 02:22 PM Re: Old UK Cable Labels
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I read about the Push-To-Talk trademark a little while ago in a telecoms mailing list I subscribe to. It seems ridiculous: The PTT term has been used in radio/telecoms work for decades. The height of audacity though I think goes to the Zilog Corp. when they tried to trademark the letter "Z" some years ago.

Yes, those conductors are tinned copper. These were retained after the introduction of PVC insulation. Plain copper became the norm with the changeover to metric-sized cables around 1970.



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#151974 - 08/11/03 02:01 PM Re: Old UK Cable Labels
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Bare copper reacts with (sulfur? in) rubber compounds with a corrosive effect.


Whoa! What does this mean for thos of us who use these dead-front rubber cord caps:



The bare wire does touch the housing when it's all assembled. I've got a bunch of these wired up at home...now you've got me wondering whether I'm rotting my lamp cord or what!

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