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#145445 - 05/23/06 11:14 PM Electric Lighting in 1890  
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Greetings all!

Interesting article: http://zapatopi.net/kelvin/papers/electric_lighting_and_public_safety.html I had heard in the early days of electric lighting the standard voltage was 100 both in the UK and US. This is from the very early years of AC. It covers electrical power distribution safety issues in many countries at the time as well.

Gene

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#145446 - 05/24/06 03:52 AM Re: Electric Lighting in 1890  
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OUCH!
The intro is written horribly! Eveyrthing else is fairly interesting though!

In the first days 100-120V were indeed standard, I think mostly because bulb filaments couldn't withstand higher voltages.

I once heard the 110 and 220 Volts were derived from arc lights - supposedly the minimum voltage for arc lights is 55V, and they wired 2 or 4 of them in series to reduce voltage drop.


#145447 - 05/24/06 05:32 AM Re: Electric Lighting in 1890  
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Interesting reading Gene. [Linked Image]

Some of the earliest power distribution systems in British cities were indeed 3-wire Edison-type arrangements, 100/200V to 125/250V D.C. Many of them were then upgraded to double the voltage, and the 200/400 to 250/500V 3-wire D.C. systems survived in the older parts of some cities well into the 1950s (with a normal residential service taking just a 2-wire supply from one "hot" and the neutral).

It's noteworthy that the argument of overhead vs. underground distribution is still going on over a century later, at least in some places, There are plenty of people today who would like to see all cables placed underground, but they just don't realize how much more expensive that would be.

It's noticable even to the casual observer though how fewer overhead cables we have in a typical British town compared to a typical American town.


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#145448 - 05/24/06 06:16 AM Re: Electric Lighting in 1890  
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Interesting article

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I once heard the 110 and 220 Volts were derived from arc lights - supposedly the minimum voltage for arc lights is 55V, and they wired 2 or 4 of them in series to reduce voltage drop.

Yep, Texas Ranger you are correct.

The 110 and 220 Volts were derived from the 55 volts arc lamps in series.
To reduce the current from 2 or 4 lamps in parallel the series option was chosen and still remained within the limits of the available insulation materials for cables of those days.

Streetlighting was sometimes done on higher voltages as quoted in the article but mostly supplied via catenary wires which were strung on insulators hence a higher voltage was used.

Also the carbon filament, wolfram or early ediswan lamps didn't like the higher than 110 volts voltages and tended to burn out to fast.

Putting everything underground, great ! , but costs are high.
Even now these days overhead is more cost effective in rural area's anyway and is not subjected to damage by ground movement or directional drilling.


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#145449 - 05/24/06 12:25 PM Re: Electric Lighting in 1890  
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Note the following reference to arc lights in Italy which corresponds:

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In Milan and Turin there are installations of aerial wires at 2,500 volts for forty arc lights in series.


#145450 - 05/24/06 04:52 PM Re: Electric Lighting in 1890  
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Thanks everyone! I was wondering where the 110-120 standard came from. I didn't know that this came from earlier arc lighting. Some sources mention that the US went to 120 V by the 1930s when light bulbs were improved enough to handle it.

Here's another reference from Cecil Adams of "The Straight Dope" He was an electrican's apprentice no less. I read this one many years ago [Linked Image]
http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a3_292.html

While I was an electronics tech and not an electrician, different methods of household wiring, plugs and sockets still fascinate me.


#145451 - 05/26/06 05:58 AM Re: Electric Lighting in 1890  
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If that wasn't enough, there were different arc lights on the market. They required slightly different voltages, somewhere in the 40-55 V range, and were normally wired in pairs to match a grid voltage of 80-110V.

I've heard that the first generator Edison got hold of put out about 110V which makes perfect sense: About 100V to run the arc lights and a little more for the voltage drop in the cables. Edisons real innovation was to design a bulb that ran on this voltage for extended periods of time.

Bulb that ran on a low voltage, like 20V, for a brief time did exist. But what use is such a thing?



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