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#137626 - 07/17/03 10:56 AM Just Finished
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I just finished a whole appartment. I wanted to let you see the plans. A small note: We put all the conduits in the brich walls.









These plans are required by the code.
What are your comments?

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#137627 - 07/17/03 11:11 AM Re: Just Finished
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Ranger,
Is that plan written in Dutch?.
The symbols used in the plans are exactly the same as the ones we use here, there must be an International standard for these.
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#137628 - 07/17/03 02:07 PM Re: Just Finished
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Belgian, those are very handsome drawings. You mention they are required. Do the same codes require updating of drawings when modifications are made?

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#137629 - 07/18/03 01:44 AM Re: Just Finished
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The symbols are becoming more and more standardized internationally, so you'll probably find them used in many countries now (North America excepted).

Belgian,
Is this a typical layout for a modern house? It seems to have a lot of wasted space in hallways.

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#137630 - 07/18/03 07:57 AM Re: Just Finished
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Trumpy,

Yes, they are in Dutch, but in other parts of Belgium it can be written in French too.

Bjarney,

The drawings can also be handwritten.
Yes, the drawings have to be updated if Major changes are done.

Paul,

Yes, it is considered as a typical, well distributed modern appartment. About the wasted space, well, this is a expensive place and it is important for those people to have a nice, big hall when you come in. The whole appartment is about 150 m2. So the bedrooms and the salon is already big.

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#137631 - 07/18/03 09:39 AM Re: Just Finished
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I haven't seen any recent Swedish drawings, but the old ones had no 'Huischema'. Instead the circuits were drawn onto the 'Huisplan'. Just the path of the cable/conduit, nothing about the use for the circuit. You have to look at the list next to the fusebox for that.

I count 20 circuits. That is a lot in a flat, but then, this is some flat. Are there two ovens (!) or one oven and one cooktop? BTW, why are those circuits on 4mm2?

The drawings are easy to understand.

I wish I had a drawing like that for my parents house. Two 27 way consumer units. Both full. Many unmarked circuits. No drawing. I can't even find the switch to turn on the porch light.

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#137632 - 07/18/03 06:35 PM Re: Just Finished
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Belgian,
Sorry about the mix-up.
I reckon we need these sorts of diagrams to come with any new house or major alteration, over here.
Would make life a LOT easier down the track, when something goes wrong!.
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#137633 - 07/19/03 02:54 PM Re: Just Finished
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C-H,

Yes, 20 circuits is a lot even for such a flat. But as you have noted there are 2 ovens. 1 is a steam oven. And there are 2 central Airconditions. Only Both airco's use alredy 15kW! The electric box which I used for this installation is completely recessed in the wall and it's about 85cm high and 37cm wide! That is some box! I had to install for The 2 airco's a digital clock with 2 channels (and 2 contactors) which can tell each airco to go on at different times. 1 Airco is for the front of the appartment and the 2nd is for the back. The reason why the ovens are on 4mm2 is because the client wasn't decided yet if he would cook with gas or electricity. So I put already a cable which can be used for a electric ranger. It has to be 4mm2 in a 3 phase installation according to our code. Afterwards the client decided that he would cook with gas, So instead of putting more cables, I just used the cable which was there already, for the ovens.

Yes, it does help a lot for fault finding when you have such a drawing.

[This message has been edited by Belgian (edited 07-19-2003).]

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#137634 - 07/20/03 04:22 AM Re: Just Finished
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Belgian, I'm _not_ electric!
It's "ranges".
I think we have plans for new wiring here in Austria, but I have the dark suspicion the electrician keeps them after the job's finished. So try finding out who was the electrician the previous owners hired 25 years ago...

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#137635 - 07/20/03 12:00 PM Re: Just Finished
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Ragnar, sorry. It's the 2nd time I make that mistake!

Yes, officially here the electrician has to give a copy to the owner, but in practice many electricians don't, so that they will be the only one being called.
I personally always give a copy for the client.

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