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#137194 - 06/09/03 02:48 PM Burglar alarm
lyledunn Offline
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Registered: 06/30/02
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Insurance company insist I install a new burglar alarm in my home. Any suggestions / recommendations on panel, PIrs, etc.
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#137195 - 06/09/03 03:18 PM Re: Burglar alarm
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Loc: Norfolk, England
There is a British Standard for hard-wired alarms: BS 4737. It may well be that your insurance company will require an alarm to meet that standard -- You know how picky they can be over the smallest details!

So many of the panels these days are getting ridiculously complex for many people, with so many features that they're becoming harder to use.

In many ways I still prefer the "old fashioned" key-operated type. I've installed a unit called the "Logic 4" in a couple of homes. It complies with BS4737, but is so simple to use with two basic zones and full or partial (single zone) setting. I bought the Logic 4 panels from TLC Direct, although I have a feeling they've stopped stocking it now.

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#137196 - 06/10/03 11:29 AM Re: Burglar alarm
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Registered: 05/22/02
Posts: 112
Loc: southampton, england
lyledunn,

as an electrical engineer and security engineer this is my advice to you,

The first thing you should do is enquire if your insurance company require the following;
1) NACOSS (insurance backed company)approval for your system

2)Audible only (loud noise and nothing else)

3) monitored system, alarm call from control panel to Alarm Receiving Centre then to the local plod and or fire service.

If you just need to install a new alarm then i personally (from over 7 years use) reccommend the Gardtech 816 panel with a Contour keypad, the panel is so easy to wire and so easy to program, and if you need it approved there are a lot of companies out there that will adopt the system and then get it approved for you.

Basic system layout, abbridged version of BS4737 (soon to be removed and an EN code to replace it).

all doors leading out of the property to be protected by proximety switches (magnetic reeed contacts) prefered that each one goes back to the panel, (but you can link em all together if you want).

magnetic contact to final exit/entry door

panel must be in a secure protected area, all we do is put a PIR near it.

keypad must not be visable to the outside world.

PIR / Dual Technology sensors to be positioned to ensure correct trap protection within the property.

Or you could do what most people do in your case, call three local companies, (keep away from people like ADT and CHUBB, they are only out for you hard earned) tell em what you want and let quote you a price.

If you need any further help let me know.

directtechnical@ntlworld.com

John H

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#137197 - 06/15/03 04:01 AM Re: Burglar alarm
lyledunn Offline
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Registered: 06/30/02
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Loc: N.Ireland
John,
Many thanks for the sound info. I am not trying to avoid paying a competent specialist company. In fact I would recommend this myself. However, like you, I am an engineer, whilst I dont profess expertise in the area of security, I am confident that given the right advice I will make a good job of it.
I am an inspection engineer.Unfortunately, my inspections have often revealed appaling installation work by specialist security companies. Cabling is often flung in with absolutely no regard to accepted practice. At least I will take the time to ensure that the installation is neatly erected.
If you dont mind I may need a little advice from you on set up. Thanks in the meantime!

[This message has been edited by lyledunn (edited 06-15-2003).]
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