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#130503 - 07/05/06 10:30 PM Drawing By JoeTestingEngr
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Hello all;

I posted a drawing by "JoeTestingEngr", in the Technical Reference section, under the topic heading of:

Nice Drawing!!!

Check it out.

If any questions, feel free to post them to this (possible) Thread.

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#130504 - 07/06/06 02:38 PM Re: Drawing By JoeTestingEngr
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Wow Scott, I'm surprised it showed up this well considering all of the manipulation it has been through. On my original, the back panel was a green. Did you change it to a red or is that how AutoCad interpreted it? You can almost tell those are Photohelics in the drawing. I'll probably be sending some more now that we know that they work.
Thanks,
Joe
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#130505 - 07/08/06 02:28 AM Re: Drawing By JoeTestingEngr
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Joe,

Glad you saw the posted drawing, and also replied.

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On my original, the back panel was a green. Did you change it to a red or is that how AutoCad interpreted it?


Nope, didn't change any colors.
Maybe the color (number) you used in your CAD Application was interpreted by my CAD Application as Red, or maybe it was from translation to .DXF on your end, or translation from .DXF to .DWG on my end.

Is .DXF the "Natural" file format your Application saves as, or do you need to specify .DXF as an alternate save choice (or as an "exported" choice)?

I used a "Generic" Real-Mode (DOS based) CAD Application on my old 80386sx based PC, back in late 1992 - through 1993, but cannot remember the name. It worked without requiring the 80387 "Math Co-Processor" (FPU) being installed.
Also used a Real-Mode / DOS environment AutoCAD Application (version 11?) between late 1993 through mid 1994, after installing the 80387 FPU.
Ended up using a Windows Environment version of AutoCAD LT from 1994 through 1996, which was sssslllllooooowwwwwww when working on heavy drawings.
Think the version was "AutoCAD LT For Windows, version 2", which I believe was a stripped down version of Release 12, but written for use in a Windows Environment, and in "Virtual 386 Mode", or "Enhanced Mode", rather than running "out of the shell" in a Protected Mode Interface (man, its been a long time!)

Of course, this was under the old Windows 3.1 Shell, on top of DOS 6.2.
Things improved when I installed Windows 3.11 (Windows for Workgroups) on a freshly formatted fixed disk drive!

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I'll probably be sending some more now that we know that they work.


Send away!!!

Let me know if the background of any drawings should be "White", so I can alter my user settings prior to an export command.
Used to change background to "White" before exporting, but now I just leave it "Black".

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#130506 - 07/08/06 12:03 PM Re: Drawing By JoeTestingEngr
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Scott, the old Level 3 Generic CADD used .dwg files. The 5.0 and 6.0 use .gcd Generic CADD Drawing files. If you use a (QU)it or (DS) drawing save command, it will save as the default .gcd. If you type (SA)ve, you are given choices including .gcd, .dxf, and the Level 3 .dwg formats. But you've made me notice something I never did before... I also have an (I)mage choice under (SA)ve. I can pick GX2, pcx, tif, bmp, img, or MSP 2.0 or MSP 1.0. I don't have a clue about a couple of these file formats. The bmp, tif, & pcx allow me to choose a black or white background. I can pick 2 or 16 colors for .pcx or .bmp. This will really help me to send drawings to those without Cadd programs. All this time I have been hitting the "print screen" and pasting into a Word .doc.

I just did a couple tests for file size. A B&W pcx is 7KB and a color is only 21KB. A tif or B&W bmp are both 38KB. Finally, a color bitmap is 151KB.

This is a Dos based program but I have run it in W95, 98SE, 2000, and XP. It's not supposed to run in Windows but I guess nobody has convinced it yet. The Level 3 ran in my 386-25 without problems but the redraws really got faster with the addition of the 387.
Joe
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#130507 - 07/09/06 03:50 PM Re: Drawing By JoeTestingEngr
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One glitch dealing with files sent as DXFs. The line weight {width} seems to default to the thinnest width, regardless of that in another CAD format.

E.g., see http://electrical-contractor.net/ubb/Forum15/HTML/000092.html The non-black lines are s'posed to be fatter in the C84 drawings.

[They were drawn with Autosketch V.8.]
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#130508 - 07/09/06 06:11 PM Re: Drawing By JoeTestingEngr
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Joe
That is a nice drawing. How long did that take you to draw?
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#130509 - 07/09/06 07:24 PM Re: Drawing By JoeTestingEngr
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I can't honestly tell you how long it took me to do it. The last .gcd save date is in May '03. I was designing the proposed system while I was drawing it. If I'm going to do a drawing, I want it to be something that can really be built. I'm sure that it must've taken more time than our high priced consultant's drawings that depicted devices that can only exist on paper. By sweating the details I knew that I could swing open the inner panel without clipping the Photohelics, and close the front door without pushing jog buttons. I like to think that I could send you this drawing as a dxf, with a few cut sheets, and that you could find the actual part numbers. (except for the contact blocks) At least I have the components created for the next time I need to use them.
Joe

[This message has been edited by JoeTestingEngr (edited 07-09-2006).]
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