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#127137 - 05/08/01 12:31 PM 240 V GFCI
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Can a two-pole 240 V GFCI detect a ground fault that draws equal amounts of leakage current (e.g., 1.0000 A) from both poles?



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#127138 - 05/08/01 03:32 PM Re: 240 V GFCI
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If you wired it as per the diagram, you'd probably kill someone.

But this was mentioned in the other thread...
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#127139 - 05/08/01 04:27 PM Re: 240 V GFCI
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I'm hoping that Bill fixes the image.
The diagram, I think, will show how the manufacturer wires it.
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#127140 - 05/08/01 08:49 PM Re: 240 V GFCI
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Wiring Diagram Fixed!
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#127141 - 05/09/01 03:21 AM Re: 240 V GFCI
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ok, thanks Bill...

now can someone explain this??

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#127142 - 05/09/01 05:50 AM Re: 240 V GFCI
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The way I understand it is that all three conductors pass through the coil, and the current should balance to zero under normal operation. When a fault occurs, there is an imbalance that is detected by the coil and opens the line.

I was thinking before that it would take one coil for each pair (Line "A" to Ground, Line "B" to Ground, Line "A" to Line "B") but I'm mistaken.

As far as getting deeper into how they work... Better let Scott handle it!

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#127143 - 05/09/01 12:23 PM Re: 240 V GFCI
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That's right about how it works in a nutshell.

But I am not clear on whether a symmetrical fault to earth would be detected.

Such a fault is improbable in a hot tub. But I want to know whether it would be detected, if, for instance, a 240 V floor outlet were filled with Pepsi causing a symmetrical fault to ground on both poles.
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#127144 - 05/09/01 12:37 PM Re: 240 V GFCI
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Dspark;
i never heard of a "symetrical fault" , but theoretically, if both conductors climbed the trip curve equally..???>>>

that would be the pepsi challenge
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#127145 - 05/09/01 01:07 PM Re: 240 V GFCI
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Well everyone, if the leakage current to ground was exactly equal from both Ungrounded conductors and at the same time, that would not trip the device!!

It would be similar to someone grabbing both lines [L1 and L2], then getting the ever loved 240 VAC barbeque. The device would not see that as an inbalanced current, so no trip.

Kind of sucks, doesn't it?

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#127146 - 05/09/01 02:34 PM Re: 240 V GFCI
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yeah, ouch....
but in the practical world, the probability is slim.
So a good point of discussion is the noodle, gotta have it , straight 240V or not right?
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