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#126496 - 01/30/06 06:46 PM Union vs non-Union
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Registered: 12/13/05
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What are the pro's and con's to being a Union vs non-Union contractor? Are There any Flat Rate Union Contractors out there?

#126497 - 01/30/06 07:28 PM Re: Union vs non-Union
Tiger Offline

Registered: 05/04/05
Posts: 714
Loc: Crystal Lake, IL USA
We all coexist peacefully by avoiding the union/open shop debate.


#126498 - 01/31/06 04:35 AM Re: Union vs non-Union
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Sorry, I was just wondering if Flat Rate can be used sucessfully in a Union environment? Are there any Union Contractors using it?

#126499 - 01/31/06 07:09 AM Re: Union vs non-Union
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Registered: 01/22/05
Posts: 5305
Loc: Blue Collar Country
There is no reason why not....indeed, in many places "flat rate" is the only pricing allowed for residential service.

Perhaps we are talking about different things. "Flat Rate," to me, is giving the customer a single price for the entire job. You do the work, you get paid the agreed amount.

Indeed, this is exactly what a "bid" is.

#126500 - 01/31/06 07:24 AM Re: Union vs non-Union
Radar Offline

Registered: 04/30/04
Posts: 349
Loc: Los Angeles, CA
Indeed, a bid is a bid.

You do the work, you get paid the agreed amount.

Your bid price for the work can come from your flat rate sheets or from doing a detailed material takeoff and estimate the costs and adding a markup (if you have the time for all that). If your labor costs are a little higher than someone elses, for whatever reason, your flat rate sheets will contain slightly larger numbers.

Your flat rate sheets should be based on your averages to do specific work tasks, weighted slightly in your favor (contingency factor?), and should be enough to cover all direct costs (including you), indirect costs, overhead markup, plus something for company profit.

There are 10 types of people. Those who know binary, and those who don't.

#126501 - 01/31/06 05:22 PM Re: Union vs non-Union
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Posts: 1228
Loc: kamloops BC Canada
Yeah Like Dave Said. Sorry guys this topic can get heated and so the union/nonunion topics are always locked on ECN.


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