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#126358 - 11/11/05 03:01 PM 30 amp to 50 amp breaker fro new range
Hoser Offline
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Registered: 11/10/05
Posts: 1
Loc: Rochester, NY
I own a house built around 1959. It has a Frank Adam circuit breaker panel, with NO main breaker to turn off everything in the house. I think the circuit panel is 100 Amp service, I may be wrong. I also think it is a split-bus, but I may be wrong. The breakers may be numbered incorrectly by previous owner. See pictures and diagram below.

1 - 30 Amp for Oven 11 - Other half for Stove
2 - Other half for Oven 12 - 30 Amp for Stove/cook top
* - Red from Elec Meter * - Black from Elec Meter
3 - 40 Amp for Dryer 13- Other half of sub-main
4 - Other half for Dryer 14 - 50 Amp sub-main for all 12 breakers below

* - Red from 14 * - Black from 13

5 - 20 Amp 15 - 15 Amp
6 - 15 Amp 16 - 20 Amp
7 - 20 Amp 17 - 15 Amp
8 - 20 Amp 18 - 20 Amp
9 - 15 Amp , 19 - 20 Amp

My question is can I replace the 30 Amp breaker in 1 & 2 with a 50 Amp breaker for a new kitchen range?

I would also run about 50 feet of Waterson/Hammock AWG 6 with AWG 10 ground, that contains Red, White, Black and ground wires. From the new 50 Amp breaker to a new surface mount 50A 125/250VAC 3-Pole, 4 wire, Range outlet.

I will remove (if needed) the 30 Amp breaker in 11 & 12. I will also pull out of the panel the old wires that went from 1 & 2 and 11 & 12 to the old oven and stove.

If there is no way for me to turn off the power to the upper breakers, than how do I replace the breaker with out killing myself?

Can I just remove the wires that went from 1 & 2 and 11 & 12 to the old oven and stove, and leave the 30 Amp breaker in but turned off?

Does it matter which half of the 50 Amp breaker I hook the Red and Black wires to?

Anything else?

#126359 - 11/11/05 03:12 PM Re: 30 amp to 50 amp breaker fro new range
Electricmanscott Offline

Registered: 01/12/02
Posts: 1478
Loc: Holden, MA USA
If you include the words "Without killing myself" in your question you are not qualified to do the work. Hire an electrician.

#126360 - 11/11/05 03:16 PM Re: 30 amp to 50 amp breaker fro new range
Roger Offline

Registered: 05/18/02
Posts: 1779
Loc: N.C.
Hoser, the only information we can give you is to call an electrician. The forum is for those in or associated with the electrical trades.

From the registration page;

*** Please understand that this Discussion Forum is meant for the benefit of those in the Electrical Trade and other related persons. Although related discussion by others may sometimes be permitted, questions of a How-To nature by untrained people (or DIYers) are not within the scope of this Forum and may be removed at our discretion. ***

Since you did not make your e-mail address available, I will leave this thread up until tomorrow morning so that you may see it and not have to wonder where it went, however it will be closed.

I apologize, and hope you understand.



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