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#126142 - 05/25/05 07:46 AM rat damage - how to fix?

I am remodeling the kitchen and when I tore everything back to the studs, I found quite a few wires that were chewed by rats.

The wires that I am mostly concerned with are the ones that appear to be the main feed to the breaker box.

In this picture, the 2 grey wires enter the condo from the garage. The one on the right goes to my breaker box downstairs and the one on the left goes to my neighbor's condo.

The following 2 images show the rat damage on my line (about 6 feet into the kitchen). Of the black wires inside the loom, 2 have been chewn through enough to barely expose the silver wire underneath.

This image shows the damage on my neighbor's grey loom (about 3 feet into my kitchen). It isn't as bad and appears to have just broken the surface of the grey insulation.

The following images are of some damage to the 120v wires.

My question to the forum is this:
Regarding the grey looms...does the damage to the wires look to be bad enough to warrant more than a good wrap of electrical tape?
If so, what would my options be for a fix? I would imagine that for a splice on a loom of this size a panel would need to be installed, no?

Regarding the 120v wires, I would assume that I could create a splice inside a box to remedy the damage? Does that sound like the correct solution? Or perhaps some electrical tape will be enough? The copper on those wires isn't exposed.

Lastly, anyone have a guess on how much a professional would charge to fix this damage?

I'm in Southern California and my condo was built in 1979.

Thanks in advance for any advice.


#126143 - 05/25/05 09:59 AM Re: rat damage - how to fix?
Ryan_J Offline

Registered: 08/19/03
Posts: 1355
Loc: West Jordan, Utah, USA
Clicking the links you provide does not give me any pictures
Ryan Jackson,
Salt Lake City

#126144 - 05/25/05 11:08 AM Re: rat damage - how to fix?
jbfan Offline

Registered: 02/21/03
Posts: 75
Loc: Newnan, GA
The gray wire looks like your service entrance and I would replace that without fail. I think I saw some alumninum peeking out of the insulation. One of your other pic. looks like a flying splice to me. That would need to be installed inside a box that must remain accessible. I have trouble guessing my prices so I can't guess someone elses.
"Yes I am a Pirate, 200 years to late" Jimmy Buffett

#126145 - 05/25/05 11:14 AM Re: rat damage - how to fix?
John Crighton Offline

Registered: 05/16/05
Posts: 172
Loc: Southern California
The photo links seem to work intermittently. A couple of quick comments:

1) Cables can be spliced inside boxes, but the boxes cannot be concealed.

2) If you see "silver" beneath the insulation, it's probably aluminum wire, and special precautions need to be taken when splicing or terminating it. The photos that I was able to view show copper wire, but it may have been added later.

3) The last photo (261254) is a candidate for the "code violation photo" discussion group. It shows what's commonly called a "flying splice" between three NM cables, and it's illegal.

[edit: It looks like jbfan types faster than I do!]

[This message has been edited by John Crighton (edited 05-25-2005).]


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