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#126036 - 03/25/03 03:51 PM Landscape Contractors Need Training!
Joe Tedesco Offline

Registered: 10/07/00
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Loc: Boston, Massachusetts USA

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#126037 - 03/25/03 04:01 PM Re: Landscape Contractors Need Training!
CTwireman Offline

Registered: 02/07/02
Posts: 839
Loc: Connecticut, USA
In fairness to the landscape contractors, the installers of this floodlight assembly could use some training too!

#126038 - 03/25/03 04:07 PM Re: Landscape Contractors Need Training!
John Steinke Offline

Registered: 04/03/01
Posts: 509
Loc: Reno,Nv., USA
This highlights one of the things I'm not really happy with.
Pipe to a box isn't that great of a support under the best of conditions, and looks like hell.
When the boxes (outdoor ones made of zinc) are in direct contact with the ground, or are buried (either deliberately, or by accumulated decaying vegetation) corrosion and disentegration quickly follow.
I'd like to see affordable components marketed specifically for the assembly of lights, receptacles, etc. in landscaping applications. I haven't used it yet, but Arlington's "Garden Post" looks promising.
I'd also like to see the gaskets for weatherproof covers be a permanent part of the cover, and not the flimsy, floating foam wafer presently used.

#126039 - 03/25/03 11:12 PM Re: Landscape Contractors Need Training!
nesparky Offline

Registered: 06/21/01
Posts: 650
Loc: omaha,ne
I used and liked a garden post from arlington on a deck and gazebo lighting job. Two weeks later a careless mower operater ran it over. Plactic lost to lawn mower blades. Replacement post is concrete 6" square. We'll see if the mower operator hits that.

#126040 - 03/26/03 04:47 AM Re: Landscape Contractors Need Training!
Redsy Offline

Registered: 03/28/01
Posts: 2138
Loc: Bucks County PA
I used the Gard n Post. I liked it, but the stabilizers are made vertically, which permits someone to pull up on the unit easily. If 2 of the 4 were horizontal, they would be more likely to resist vertical movement.

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#126041 - 09/11/03 10:49 AM Re: Landscape Contractors Need Training!
Zapped Offline

Registered: 10/01/02
Posts: 481
Loc: Huntington Beach, CA, USA
I work alot for Home Owners Associations, and see this type of thing nearly every day.

You can use "perma-post", which is a 3" PVC pipe cut with the bottom at an angle to help stick it into the ground. There are both metal and plastic "caps", which generally have a 1/2" female fitting. The fixture screws right into the cap. This installation is rated for 120V, and they have other (smaller sizes) rated for low-voltage only.

There are also pre-formed concrete pilasters, if cost is not an issue.

BTW: As with the fixture shown above, 90% of the problems with these tree lights occur not from the installation, but from careless landscapers and/or kids on bikes (or other wheeled toys).

#126042 - 09/11/03 06:22 PM Re: Landscape Contractors Need Training!
harold endean Offline

Registered: 02/16/02
Posts: 2248
Loc: Boonton, NJ
My 2 cents again. I have seen where EC;s install everything correct around a pool, then the landscape person decides to add up lighting. Right near the edge of the pool. I know that the voltage is low voltage, but shouldn't they keep the landscape lights farthers away than 5" to the edge of the pool?

#126043 - 09/16/03 07:50 AM Re: Landscape Contractors Need Training!
Zapped Offline

Registered: 10/01/02
Posts: 481
Loc: Huntington Beach, CA, USA
Indeed, Harold, they should keep anything with power away from a body of water, but that point is moot when the fact is that a "landscaper" should never touch an electrical installation in the first place.

I can't begin to tell you how much PVC conduit containing line voltage I've seen above ground, and I'm talkng about WHITE IRRIGATION PVC.(no kidding!)



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