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#125921 - 10/06/03 05:22 AM Get Rid of Abandoned Wiring Everywhere!
Joe Tedesco Offline
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Get Rid of Abandoned Wiring Everywhere!

Send in a Comment to NFPA for Proposal 1-145 to accept the proposal!!
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#125922 - 10/06/03 05:39 PM Re: Get Rid of Abandoned Wiring Everywhere!
sparky Offline
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i gotta hand it to you Joe, there's not a single manufacturer that could possibly have so much as a dime invested in your pursuit of this

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#125923 - 10/06/03 06:51 PM Re: Get Rid of Abandoned Wiring Everywhere!
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There's advertising everywhere these days... What about a custom 'Black Cherry' j-box cover?

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#125924 - 10/07/03 02:20 AM Re: Get Rid of Abandoned Wiring Everywhere!
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Whats the big deal with abandoned wires anyway??, If capped off at both ends, what's going to happen??

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#125925 - 10/07/03 03:10 AM Re: Get Rid of Abandoned Wiring Everywhere!
sparky Offline
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i suppose one cannot easily detremine if they are a hazard or not walrus

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#125926 - 10/07/03 07:50 AM Re: Get Rid of Abandoned Wiring Everywhere!
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Is there a borderline definition between "abandoned" and just "not in use at present"?

I've sometimes disconnected a cable because it is not needed at present, yet it might well be useful for future extensions or changes. To completely remove some cables would be a big job in itself, nevermind pulling a new one at a later date should it prove necessary.

I don't see a problem with leaving a cable in place and tagging the ends to identify where it runs for the benefit of those who follow.

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#125927 - 10/07/03 09:19 AM Re: Get Rid of Abandoned Wiring Everywhere!
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I vote for removing abandoned wiring .. when I was a fire investigator I have found too many that somehow became reconnected and contributed to the cause of fires. I found one during a fire inspection that the business owner swore was abandoned .. and it tested hot. Didn't really need much testing as it was surface run and could be seen to extend back to an open junction box. Removed wiring rarely comes back to bite you. ERFERTT

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#125928 - 10/07/03 03:30 PM Re: Get Rid of Abandoned Wiring Everywhere!
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It seems to me the wire isn't the problem but someone who doesn't know what they are doing making a wire live that shouldn't be live.

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#125929 - 10/07/03 03:48 PM Re: Get Rid of Abandoned Wiring Everywhere!
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I agree with you Walrus, if the wire is live there are rules already in place that require it to be protected.

If the wire is dead it is not a hazard.

The people that would hook up this exposed wiring are already willing to violate the code that already exists, I fail to see how another rule would make these same people start following the code.

Simple answer is to enforce the existing code.

Another major step forward would be requiring power company's to run grounding conductors instead of allowing the use of local ground rods.(for items like steel light poles)

Of course that would be out of NEC territory, but it is not out of the law makers territory.

JMO, Bob

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#125930 - 10/07/03 05:00 PM Re: Get Rid of Abandoned Wiring Everywhere!
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Gentlemen:
IMHO, when one goes into a comm structure and sees the past sins above the grid ceiling; the phone/data cable, the bx, the alarm wiring all hanging.......THAT's what is "abandoned" & should be removed.

BTW, it makes for a easier work enviornment also.

The "spaghetti" messes....call it what you want, that's what should go.

John
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