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#125903 - 10/29/03 04:22 AM Violation Discovered after 20 years!
Joe Tedesco Offline

Registered: 10/07/00
Posts: 3325
Loc: Boston, Massachusetts USA

Can the electrical contractor still be cited for this violation? This installation is over 20 years old, and the electrical inspector missed it!!

Joe Tedesco, NEC Consultant

#125904 - 10/29/03 09:29 AM Re: Violation Discovered after 20 years!
codeenforcementguy Offline

Registered: 08/27/03
Posts: 30
Loc: Yuma, Arizona USA
Depends on what you mean by "cited." Can't be "grandfathered" unless it was legal to start with, and as a safety issue should be made to comply with minimun standards. I think the statute of limitation takes into consideration as to whether this is something that was in plain sight and regularly inspected or if it was concealed to some extent. If concealed then the Statute of Limitations rule should start when it is detected. As a safety concern, a new day is viewed as a new violation so again, I would say it needs to be corrected.

#125905 - 10/29/03 11:14 AM Re: Violation Discovered after 20 years!
:andy: Offline

Registered: 10/18/03
Posts: 272
Loc: Germany
what exactly is that? are there wires cut, or did they u-bend the wires to fill out the terminal?

#125906 - 10/29/03 01:58 PM Re: Violation Discovered after 20 years!
SvenNYC Offline

Registered: 08/19/02
Posts: 1685
Loc: New York City
Looks like they bent the wires over themselves to fill out the terminal holes.

Look at E-2, you'll see the ends of some strands peeking out from under the tape.

It's the sort of thing you'd do when you're trying to connect .75mm lamp cord to a Schuko plug with those clamp-screw terminals....

[This message has been edited by SvenNYC (edited 10-29-2003).]

#125907 - 10/29/03 06:00 PM Re: Violation Discovered after 20 years!
Roger Offline

Registered: 05/18/02
Posts: 1779
Loc: N.C.
I wouldn't think the original installer had anything to do with this.

It appears to be a set of feeders that was eliminated by the owner. An electrician or EC in the original installation would have no reason to cut a set of feeders and leave it in this fashion.

I question the (E) markings, is this for an emergency source?

This may have a bearing in the situation. (not that it should be left this way)


#125908 - 10/29/03 06:14 PM Re: Violation Discovered after 20 years!
Joe Tedesco Offline

Registered: 10/07/00
Posts: 3325
Loc: Boston, Massachusetts USA

The "E" markings indicate an emergency source from the generator located next to the building. Maybe the extra "stubs" are what was left when temporary connections were installed for testing the system?

I don't know for sure, but the installation should have been corrected so that there would only be the end of each conductor in the terminal and not the present "double" pair in each.
Joe Tedesco, NEC Consultant


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