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#125765 - 05/16/04 02:54 PM Landscape Contractors Create Electrical Hazards!
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Are outside branch circuits and feeders, where run overhead or underground, inspected by Home Inspectors?

I am especially interested in situations where landscape personnel cause damage! I see lots of live wires.



I believe that Landscape Contractors should have to be trained so they will be able to recognize the electrical systems, many of them mow over!
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#125766 - 05/16/04 03:09 PM Re: Landscape Contractors Create Electrical Hazards!
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what country is that from?

thats a plastic conduit, isn't it?

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#125767 - 05/16/04 03:14 PM Re: Landscape Contractors Create Electrical Hazards!
Joe Tedesco Offline
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USA, yes it is RNMC
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#125768 - 05/16/04 04:06 PM Re: Landscape Contractors Create Electrical Hazards!
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Joe,
Is this a 240V circuit, or did somebody pull the wrong color wires on a 120 ?

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#125769 - 05/16/04 04:30 PM Re: Landscape Contractors Create Electrical Hazards!
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pauluk

This was the circuit feeding the street light in a hotel driveway, and I believe they were using 120 volts, I think there was a white wire there, looks like it in the bottom broken conduit.

This was probably bootlegged in because an electrical insppector usually calls a location like this one "subject to physical damage" and may call for RMC instead of Schedule 80 like the rule allows. I have more images and when I find them I will post them. I found these wires live later in the evening.
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#125770 - 05/20/04 07:09 AM Re: Landscape Contractors Create Electrical Hazards!
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I hate to say it, but doesn't the electrician bear some responsibility here? Aren't we supposed to provide 'mechanical' protection and sufficient support (110.27(B))?

Simply poking a piece of pipe out of the ground to support the box (or fixture) may not be enough.

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#125771 - 05/20/04 10:57 AM Re: Landscape Contractors Create Electrical Hazards!
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Registered: 05/08/04
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I'm with you on this one, John. The conduit isn't adequate support for the box. I plant a cedar 4"X4" post to support exterior boxes.

Dave

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#125772 - 05/25/04 10:05 PM Re: Landscape Contractors Create Electrical Hazards!
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well I am surprised that this was blamed on the landscaper !!!!!...he must have been trying to kick the grass around this area...cuz it sure don't look like the mower or weedeater got used around it...(noting the high grass still in the background)
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#125773 - 05/26/04 08:11 AM Re: Landscape Contractors Create Electrical Hazards!
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I agree, and would warn the installer to be careful and follow rules that require protection.

The reason I said "landscapers" was because I have many images of damage that was done by people who use lawn care equipment.

It is a reality! If they cut the grass at night, they probably would make contact with live wires and get themselves electrocuted and would not be able to return to work!
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#125774 - 06/09/04 01:26 AM Re: Landscape Contractors Create Electrical Hazards!
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I know of many places that do not allow PVC at all, nevermind above grade. And, once the art of threading is mastered, rigid steel is not too hard to work with. If you're in a corosive soil environment, PVC coated rigid steel, or taped/tarred at grade. Why not blame the electrician for not having the fore-thought of possible damage? It doesn't do well in extreme sun, or cold.

I know that some places will allow it for exposed Service Entrance, and Feeder conductors, and I have never thought that was a bright idea either.

For that matter, I support ammending the Code not to allow PVC exposed, or above 12" below grade. "It shall never see the light of day" Or so to speak.
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And, as for Landscrapers, ( pun intended, but no offense... ) some places will actually allow them to do "incidental" electrical work. And nothing scares me more than watching someone cut wire with Pruning Shears!

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