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#125682 - 12/08/03 07:57 PM NEC Committee says that the NEC doesn't cover ...
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The National Electrical Code Committee, Panel 1 says that the NEC doesn't cover ... this type of wiring!

They said that this was a maintenance item and rules should be proposed for the Electrical Equipment Maintenance Code NFPA 70B?

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#125683 - 12/09/03 06:20 AM Re: NEC Committee says that the NEC doesn't cover ...
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Isn't there a statement in the NEC saying that "no other wiring methods shall be used" after a list of approved methods? Maybe that NEC panel meant "not permitted" when they said "not covered"? That only "covered" methods are allowed?

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#125684 - 12/09/03 08:18 AM Re: NEC Committee says that the NEC doesn't cover ...
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I was given the opportunity at the ROC meetings in San Diego to address CMP 1 concerning my Proposal 1-145 in the ROP, and they almost were ready to accept my comment and recommendation.

They seem to think that the issues related to this type of "abandoned" wiring is a maintenance item, and should be covered in the NFPA 70B code.

I think that I hit a nerve when I mentioned some of the areas around the country where street people lay in their own feces, and urine near the exposed live wires, or what may become energized wires and equipment.

The way in which they discuss the comments on proposals is unusual, and with only one or two people representing the electricians and inspectors do not fully understand the problems.

Here is their Panel Statement:

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No justification has been presented that unused wiring is a "potential hazard". No objective basis has been presented for an Authority Having Jurisdiction to make a determination to remove unused electrical equipment in any specific instance.


If its the last thing I do in my life, it will be too get something into the NEC that will address this issue once and for all!
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#125685 - 12/09/03 01:34 PM Re: NEC Committee says that the NEC doesn't cover ...
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wa2ise:

I believe that you are referring to this section:

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110.8 Wiring Methods.
Only wiring methods recognized as suitable are included in this Code. The recognized methods of wiring shall be permitted to be installed in any type of building or occupancy, except as otherwise provided in this Code.
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#125686 - 12/09/03 01:51 PM Re: NEC Committee says that the NEC doesn't cover ...
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#125687 - 12/09/03 06:12 PM Re: NEC Committee says that the NEC doesn't cover ...
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If its the last thing I do in my life, it will be too get something into the NEC that will address this issue once and for all!


they just did Joe...

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#125688 - 12/09/03 07:38 PM Re: NEC Committee says that the NEC doesn't cover ...
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sparky:

It is not over yet! There was one negative straw vote from the IBEW representative.

I believe that they will support a change that will add a rule, as I have described in my Proposal 1-145.

I will post more of the images that show the hazards involved in this thread so you can see what I mean.
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#125689 - 12/09/03 07:45 PM Re: NEC Committee says that the NEC doesn't cover ...
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Fix it or remove it!!
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#125690 - 12/09/03 08:53 PM Re: NEC Committee says that the NEC doesn't cover ...
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Fix it. On-the-go people of all income brackets need to top off their laptop batteries, too.

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#125691 - 12/10/03 12:46 AM Re: NEC Committee says that the NEC doesn't cover ...
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